4 ms·

I have said this for years. Asians, particularly Asian males, are the only racial group in America subject to overt policies meant to disadvantage them on the b

I have said this for years. Asians, particularly Asian males, are the only racial group in America subject to overt policies meant to disadvantage them on the basis of their race, and nobody cares. Asian immigrants to the US tend to embody more than any ethnic group precisely the characteristics that are supposed to constitute America. Meanwhile we're playing games of trying to tease out how implicit bias might be impacting XYZ, or taking population outcomes as evidence of systemic bias impacting other groups, when disadvantages put on Asian individuals are explicitly laid out as systemic and on the basis of their race.

jimbob45 7y ago
Meh. Happens to us white males too. Adversity makes us stronger or something.
- usrlocaletc 7y ago
  I recall the pleasure of riding a slow, long school bus meandering around the city for 3 hours a day for 4 school years because there were "too many whites/Asians" at a school on the same block where I lived. Gotta love bureaucratically-proscribed "equality of outcome" policies foisting inequity of treatment externalities onto individuals based on their race. Definitely not racism, because racism can't happen to white males due to the celebration of the hierarchy of victimhood, right?
cheriot 7y ago
> Asian males, are the only racial group in America subject to overt policies meant to disadvantage them on the basis of their race I'd recommend reading The Color of Law, https://www.epi.org/publication/the-color-of-law-a-forgotten-history-of-how-our-government-segregated-america/ https://www.epi.org/publication/the-color-of-law-a-forgotten...
- ralusek 7y ago
  Redlining has been illegal for 50 years. I'm aware of historical policies.
  - jonnybgood 7y ago
    And those people who were affected by it are still alive and still living in its shadow. The damage has already been done and it's going to take more than one generation before its affects start to fade.
    - ralusek 7y ago
      Where did I make the claim that people's circumstances today would be unaffected by history?
  - cheriot 7y ago
    That's not the only subject of the book
  - cheriot 7y ago
    here's a more recent example than redlining https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/sausalito-school-segregation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/sausalito-school-segre...
    - waterhouse 7y ago
      > A California school district outside of San Francisco agreed to desegregate its schools on Friday, after a two-year state investigation found that the district had “knowingly and intentionally maintained and exacerbated” racial segregation and even established an intentionally segregated school. > In the Sausalito case, the state said the district had violated the equal protection clause of the California Constitution. > The settlement, filed in state court in San Francisco... Sounds like it was (a) not overt (if it took a two-year investigation to establish it), (b) illegal, and (c) eventually punished under preexisting law.
      - T3OU-736 7y ago
        > and (c) eventually punished under preexisting law. While I agree with you on this point, punishment does not mean repair or restore, which is the sad part. Prevention, through detection (which goes to your point of "(a) not overt (if it took a two-year investigation to establish it)" seems like the better thing for these sorts of circumstances, but is a lot more difficult to achieve. Part of me, possibly naively, believes that transparency is the answer, so that those of us who care can determine things without a 2 year investigation, but that feels... too simplistic. Not sure what a better answer is, though.
mynameishere 7y ago
Those policies exist to damage white people. Asians are collateral damage.
- usrlocaletc 7y ago
  I would say the victim hierarchy social policy engineers throw anyone/group under the bus who does better than average because they hurt the "victims." Also, for example, if I were a black male, I would insist on being measured by the same standards and criteria as anyone else out of fundamental pride. Separating people based on non-performance factors is a slippery slope that doesn't do students' self-confidence or capabilities gained from hard-work any favors. If black males were falling behind in test scores because of socioeconomic factors, address the factors with more preparation, nutrition, study support, etc., not watering-down the tests or grading standards based on identity politicking.
akhilcacharya 7y ago
I’m an Asian male. How exactly has it disadvantaged you?
- ralusek 7y ago
  I think you should maybe re-read what I wrote.
  - akhilcacharya 7y ago
    It was pretty clear. > when disadvantages put on Asian individuals are explicitly laid out as systemic and on the basis of their race. What exactly have I been disadvantaged in?
    - SamReidHughes 7y ago
      "Asian" in American lingo usually doesn't include Indians. It's basically Chinese/Japanese/Korean.
    - ralusek 7y ago
      Oh, you assumed I was Asian. Now I understand your original post. The areas Asians are disadvantaged in are college admissions and hiring practices. There is an active lawsuit against YouTube for issuing freezes on hiring white and Asian males, on the premise that they needed to hire more people from other racial/ethnic groups. This is simply not something that would happen to another minority group. The people that tend to otherwise fixate on racial identity and collective privilege will typically also conveniently ignore Asians, whose successes in this "white supremacist" nation throw a bit of a wrench in their world view.
      - akhilcacharya 7y ago
        > There is an active lawsuit against YouTube for issuing freezes on hiring white and Asian males, on the premise that they needed to hire more people from other racial/ethnic groups. I've interviewed with Google multiple times without issue > whose successes in this "white supremacist" nation throw a bit of a wrench in their world view. Interesting that you should mention that, because perceived/actual white supremacy is a reason why Asians are voting overwhelmingly against Republicans today.

jimbob45 7y ago

Meh. Happens to us white males too. Adversity makes us stronger or something.

usrlocaletc 7y ago
I recall the pleasure of riding a slow, long school bus meandering around the city for 3 hours a day for 4 school years because there were "too many whites/Asians" at a school on the same block where I lived. Gotta love bureaucratically-proscribed "equality of outcome" policies foisting inequity of treatment externalities onto individuals based on their race. Definitely not racism, because racism can't happen to white males due to the celebration of the hierarchy of victimhood, right?

cheriot 7y ago

> Asian males, are the only racial group in America subject to overt policies meant to disadvantage them on the basis of their race I'd recommend reading The Color of Law, https://www.epi.org/publication/the-color-of-law-a-forgotten-history-of-how-our-government-segregated-america/ https://www.epi.org/publication/the-color-of-law-a-forgotten...

ralusek 7y ago
Redlining has been illegal for 50 years. I'm aware of historical policies.
- jonnybgood 7y ago
  And those people who were affected by it are still alive and still living in its shadow. The damage has already been done and it's going to take more than one generation before its affects start to fade.
  - ralusek 7y ago
    Where did I make the claim that people's circumstances today would be unaffected by history?
- cheriot 7y ago
  That's not the only subject of the book
- cheriot 7y ago
  here's a more recent example than redlining https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/sausalito-school-segregation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/sausalito-school-segre...
  - waterhouse 7y ago
    > A California school district outside of San Francisco agreed to desegregate its schools on Friday, after a two-year state investigation found that the district had “knowingly and intentionally maintained and exacerbated” racial segregation and even established an intentionally segregated school. > In the Sausalito case, the state said the district had violated the equal protection clause of the California Constitution. > The settlement, filed in state court in San Francisco... Sounds like it was (a) not overt (if it took a two-year investigation to establish it), (b) illegal, and (c) eventually punished under preexisting law.
    - T3OU-736 7y ago
      > and (c) eventually punished under preexisting law. While I agree with you on this point, punishment does not mean repair or restore, which is the sad part. Prevention, through detection (which goes to your point of "(a) not overt (if it took a two-year investigation to establish it)" seems like the better thing for these sorts of circumstances, but is a lot more difficult to achieve. Part of me, possibly naively, believes that transparency is the answer, so that those of us who care can determine things without a 2 year investigation, but that feels... too simplistic. Not sure what a better answer is, though.

mynameishere 7y ago

Those policies exist to damage white people. Asians are collateral damage.

usrlocaletc 7y ago
I would say the victim hierarchy social policy engineers throw anyone/group under the bus who does better than average because they hurt the "victims." Also, for example, if I were a black male, I would insist on being measured by the same standards and criteria as anyone else out of fundamental pride. Separating people based on non-performance factors is a slippery slope that doesn't do students' self-confidence or capabilities gained from hard-work any favors. If black males were falling behind in test scores because of socioeconomic factors, address the factors with more preparation, nutrition, study support, etc., not watering-down the tests or grading standards based on identity politicking.

akhilcacharya 7y ago

I’m an Asian male. How exactly has it disadvantaged you?

ralusek 7y ago
I think you should maybe re-read what I wrote.
- akhilcacharya 7y ago
  It was pretty clear. > when disadvantages put on Asian individuals are explicitly laid out as systemic and on the basis of their race. What exactly have I been disadvantaged in?
  - SamReidHughes 7y ago
    "Asian" in American lingo usually doesn't include Indians. It's basically Chinese/Japanese/Korean.
  - ralusek 7y ago
    Oh, you assumed I was Asian. Now I understand your original post. The areas Asians are disadvantaged in are college admissions and hiring practices. There is an active lawsuit against YouTube for issuing freezes on hiring white and Asian males, on the premise that they needed to hire more people from other racial/ethnic groups. This is simply not something that would happen to another minority group. The people that tend to otherwise fixate on racial identity and collective privilege will typically also conveniently ignore Asians, whose successes in this "white supremacist" nation throw a bit of a wrench in their world view.
    - akhilcacharya 7y ago
      > There is an active lawsuit against YouTube for issuing freezes on hiring white and Asian males, on the premise that they needed to hire more people from other racial/ethnic groups. I've interviewed with Google multiple times without issue > whose successes in this "white supremacist" nation throw a bit of a wrench in their world view. Interesting that you should mention that, because perceived/actual white supremacy is a reason why Asians are voting overwhelmingly against Republicans today.