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Really? Because anyone with a PC and an internet connection can assume their own hosting duties without all that. And if they really wanted to make up the geog

Really? Because anyone with a PC and an internet connection can assume their own hosting duties without all that. And if they really wanted to make up the geographic shortcomings they can image and encrypt their files and still use Google drive like everyone else. There's your redundancy with privacy. Cloud, to me, just means "someone else's computer."

basch 7y ago
Cloud is supposed to be where downtime isnt a thing, or isnt really possible (minus dns of course.) Someone elses computer, without failovers, will never be "always up." Someone elses computer is just "hosting." A cloud is a datacenter, not a server. Your own computer available from anywhere on the internet is just "remote access." Cloud has always meant either distributed computing or complexity abstracted away because its moot and only the resulting service matters.
- zelon88 7y ago
  Semantics aside, are you saying that someone with extra compute resources shouldn't put those resources to work to store their personal data to reduce reliance on for-profit third parties? What is your argument here? That people shouldn't be encouraged to do something on their own? That people shouldn't bother reducing their reliance on "freemium" or paid PaaS companies, even if they have the skills/resources to do so? You seem to want nothing more than for me to admit that "the online place where I store my personal files" is not the same as a "Cloud" and in reality it doesn't matter what it's called. It's purpose is the same, and it fulfills that purpose well.
  - basch 7y ago
    It's a completely semantical argument. I said the phrase was ridiculous. I didn't once say anything about the technology or whether it was better to store things yourself. All I said was those other things have their own names and calling them cloud is either misleading or lazy. And yes, that's exactly what I want you to say, that your home server, despite being remotely accessible, isn't covered under the definition of cloud computing.
- necovek 7y ago
  Hum, my memory of the early days of "cloud" as a term paints a different picture. You had highly resilient, scalable, backed up, distributed servers before the "cloud": cloud provided all that with an API and instant UI, and made it affordable. In that sense, "putting my data in the cloud" always makes me giggle, even though I accept how the term has come to be used. What people usually mean with that is that they are using an online file storage service that may or may not be implemented using a cloud infrastructure, but they don't really care. I mean, why is OpenStack "a private cloud" (or Eucalyptus if you remember that one)? And why wouldn't you be able to do DNS on cloud infrastructure as well (in fact, many do)? FWIW, DNS itself is a prime example of a resilient (virtually no downtime), scalable, distributed service that predates "cloud" by decades.
  - basch 7y ago
    What decade are you calling the early days? Early 90s, mid 2000s?
    - o-__-o 7y ago
      Late 80s
      - basch 7y ago
        the "cloud provided all that with an API and instant UI, and made it affordable" came in the 80s?
    - necovek 7y ago
      Mid-2000s: the term "cloud" was highly popularized by Amazon, and went on to have this particular connotation for a while. In the last decade, it has turned to simply mean "on the internet", which, to me, is unnecessary since you can just say "on the internet" instead. Eg. how is an internet file storage service different from cloud storage service?

basch 7y ago

Cloud is supposed to be where downtime isnt a thing, or isnt really possible (minus dns of course.) Someone elses computer, without failovers, will never be "always up." Someone elses computer is just "hosting." A cloud is a datacenter, not a server. Your own computer available from anywhere on the internet is just "remote access." Cloud has always meant either distributed computing or complexity abstracted away because its moot and only the resulting service matters.

zelon88 7y ago
Semantics aside, are you saying that someone with extra compute resources shouldn't put those resources to work to store their personal data to reduce reliance on for-profit third parties? What is your argument here? That people shouldn't be encouraged to do something on their own? That people shouldn't bother reducing their reliance on "freemium" or paid PaaS companies, even if they have the skills/resources to do so? You seem to want nothing more than for me to admit that "the online place where I store my personal files" is not the same as a "Cloud" and in reality it doesn't matter what it's called. It's purpose is the same, and it fulfills that purpose well.
- basch 7y ago
  It's a completely semantical argument. I said the phrase was ridiculous. I didn't once say anything about the technology or whether it was better to store things yourself. All I said was those other things have their own names and calling them cloud is either misleading or lazy. And yes, that's exactly what I want you to say, that your home server, despite being remotely accessible, isn't covered under the definition of cloud computing.
necovek 7y ago
Hum, my memory of the early days of "cloud" as a term paints a different picture. You had highly resilient, scalable, backed up, distributed servers before the "cloud": cloud provided all that with an API and instant UI, and made it affordable. In that sense, "putting my data in the cloud" always makes me giggle, even though I accept how the term has come to be used. What people usually mean with that is that they are using an online file storage service that may or may not be implemented using a cloud infrastructure, but they don't really care. I mean, why is OpenStack "a private cloud" (or Eucalyptus if you remember that one)? And why wouldn't you be able to do DNS on cloud infrastructure as well (in fact, many do)? FWIW, DNS itself is a prime example of a resilient (virtually no downtime), scalable, distributed service that predates "cloud" by decades.
- basch 7y ago
  What decade are you calling the early days? Early 90s, mid 2000s?
  - o-__-o 7y ago
    Late 80s
    - basch 7y ago
      the "cloud provided all that with an API and instant UI, and made it affordable" came in the 80s?
  - necovek 7y ago
    Mid-2000s: the term "cloud" was highly popularized by Amazon, and went on to have this particular connotation for a while. In the last decade, it has turned to simply mean "on the internet", which, to me, is unnecessary since you can just say "on the internet" instead. Eg. how is an internet file storage service different from cloud storage service?