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Rising male virginity and the 'incel' epidemic: https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120 https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805

Rising male virginity and the 'incel' epidemic: https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120 https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120

buboard 7y ago
so, prostitution?
- leet_thow 7y ago
  Not sure, just have a hunch it will be a problem in the coming years. Look at Japan.
  - buboard 7y ago
    There is an enormous drop in T levels and sperm motility in the past decades. Don't know if related
    - gremlinsinc 7y ago
      I wonder if maybe it has to do with more screen time and less real-world socializing. Can't meet a girl when you never leave mom's basement. Also staying in breeds phobia's of crowds and people and social interactions which causes probably a lot of the incel behaviors in the first place.
      - buboard 7y ago
        > with more screen time and less real-world socializing That would imply that girls overwhelmingly don't do the same, which is not the case. Maybe it's online dating https://www.icoderzsolutions.com/blog/facebook-online-dating-app-development/ https://www.icoderzsolutions.com/blog/facebook-online-dating...
        gremlinsinc 7y ago
        Maybe girls do -- do the same. Say 20% of girls do the same, that takes those girls 'off the market', so there's more competition and less supply of potential 'mates'. I mean it sounds like a black mirror episode but, there could come a day where nobody leaves the house and everything is done in a VR world, including relationships and sex. Of course that might be healthier than what's going on now, at least there's some actual socializing, not sure if it's a healthy alternative to the real thing. My point though is it seems a lot of 'incel' behavior is driven by reddit/4chan (the seedier side of reddit, there are some good parts), so I think maybe 4chan/reddit culture plays some role. Probably also group think as there are groups devoted to incels and giving voice to their anger that no women want them.
        buboard 7y ago
        ok but the studies show that the phenomenon is more prevalent in men. it's the nature of the sexual marketplace that is skewed towards males -- liberalization and competition on steroids as in online dating leads to pauperization.
        gremlinsinc 7y ago
        but is it more prevalent now than pre-facebook? If not then that would support my hypothesis that online culture is adding to it, and possible causing some of it.
        buboard 7y ago
        > but is it more prevalent now than pre-facebook? The graph of OP suggests so

Rising male virginity and the 'incel' epidemic: https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120 https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120

buboard 7y ago

so, prostitution?

leet_thow 7y ago
Not sure, just have a hunch it will be a problem in the coming years. Look at Japan.
- buboard 7y ago
  There is an enormous drop in T levels and sperm motility in the past decades. Don't know if related
  - gremlinsinc 7y ago
    I wonder if maybe it has to do with more screen time and less real-world socializing. Can't meet a girl when you never leave mom's basement. Also staying in breeds phobia's of crowds and people and social interactions which causes probably a lot of the incel behaviors in the first place.
    - buboard 7y ago
      > with more screen time and less real-world socializing That would imply that girls overwhelmingly don't do the same, which is not the case. Maybe it's online dating https://www.icoderzsolutions.com/blog/facebook-online-dating-app-development/ https://www.icoderzsolutions.com/blog/facebook-online-dating...
      - gremlinsinc 7y ago
        Maybe girls do -- do the same. Say 20% of girls do the same, that takes those girls 'off the market', so there's more competition and less supply of potential 'mates'. I mean it sounds like a black mirror episode but, there could come a day where nobody leaves the house and everything is done in a VR world, including relationships and sex. Of course that might be healthier than what's going on now, at least there's some actual socializing, not sure if it's a healthy alternative to the real thing. My point though is it seems a lot of 'incel' behavior is driven by reddit/4chan (the seedier side of reddit, there are some good parts), so I think maybe 4chan/reddit culture plays some role. Probably also group think as there are groups devoted to incels and giving voice to their anger that no women want them.
        buboard 7y ago
        ok but the studies show that the phenomenon is more prevalent in men. it's the nature of the sexual marketplace that is skewed towards males -- liberalization and competition on steroids as in online dating leads to pauperization.
        gremlinsinc 7y ago
        but is it more prevalent now than pre-facebook? If not then that would support my hypothesis that online culture is adding to it, and possible causing some of it.
        buboard 7y ago
        > but is it more prevalent now than pre-facebook? The graph of OP suggests so