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Used some if their product. They do a good job. Perfect example of how good products can be used to cause so much harm.

thepaperone 7y ago
Ensuring multinational corporations don't illegally exploit international labor to the detriment of the American worker is doing harm... riiiight.
- albalus 7y ago
  More like a governmental agency's predatory tracking and snatching of the exploited who are just trying to work as opposed to going after the corporations that are turning a blind eye to the status of their employees and are unwilling to pay competitive wages is ... Wroonnngg.
  - cabaalis 7y ago
    > About 4.5 million of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, or 42 percent of the total undocumented population, overstayed visas, according to the report. [1] You're right, they are just people trying to work, and there needs to be better handling of the entire situation. However almost half of them made an agreement with the government and then reneged. People should abide by the agreements they make. [1] https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/border-illegal-immigration-visa-overstays https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/border-illegal-immigr...
    - pm90 7y ago
      Under this criteria, all Marijuana users in the US are guilty of at least Misdemeanors and probably Felony drug possession. Under this criteria, every person who has ever driven over the speed limit, and especially a large amount over the speed limit, is Guilty. Do you see what the problem is with your reasoning.
      - ng12 7y ago
        I'm sure that argument holds up when you're before a judge on a few counts of possession.
        fzeroracer 7y ago
        So you would agree then that someone caught with a gram of marijuana deserves over a decade in prison? Or are we just going to argue that the law itself is moral and just, while ignoring the uneven application of said laws? Which is really the point here.
      - dmix 7y ago
        What-about-isms always gloss over tons of context. Even drug legalization involves plenty of law and order.
      - mattsfrey 7y ago
        If you're caught for these things you face the associated consequences
        simonh 7y ago
        So the question is what are the appropriate consequences? This is a reasonable point of debate. On the one hand the consequences probably shouldn't be nothing. On the other they probably shouldn't be irrevocably tearing apart their family, deporting the adults abroad sometimes to the wrong country and then losing track of their young children in the social services system, as a terror tactic to try and scare other visa violators into line.
        mattsfrey 7y ago
        A legislative debate, which is my entire point. People aren't showing anywhere near the level of vitriol that ICE receives towards the local police for enforcing laws that are IMO far more ridiculous. Currently in many states people are torn from their families to be placed in cages and children are dumped into facilities because their parents possessed a benign plant which happens to be legal in a plurality of states -- there's no outrage because there's not the full force of the zeitgeist beaming it through the telescreens as a crisis for political purposes. I don't agree with any of it personally but just have to scoff at the hypocrisy.
  - badrabbit 7y ago
    It's not just with ICE. They help cops do a lot of big data citizen tracking and spying. If america had a social credit system like China,palantir would run it. In the movie "Den of thieves" the actors studied real police so well they even included palantir in their dialogue.
- badrabbit 7y ago
  Not what i said. Straw-man much?
okmokmz 7y ago
Yes, Palantir does do a good job of supporting authoritarian regimes. I guess the yc hive mind disagrees https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/how-peter-thiels-palantir-helped-the-nsa-spy-on-the-whole-world/ https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/how-peter-thiels-palanti... https://southfront.org/palantirs-user-guide-mass-surveillance-made-simple/ https://southfront.org/palantirs-user-guide-mass-surveillanc... https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018-palantir-peter-thiel/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018-palantir-peter-thiel... https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/07/palantirs_surve.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/07/palantirs_sur... https://www.wired.com/story/palantir-surveillance-apple-watch-security-roundup/?verso=true https://www.wired.com/story/palantir-surveillance-apple-watc... https://mijente.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Mijente-The-War-Against-Immigrants_-Trumps-Tech-Tools-Powered-by-Palantir_.pdf https://mijente.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Mijente-The-W...
rubinelli 7y ago
Considering the story of the original Palantir, I couldn't think of a better name.
- ng12 7y ago
  That's actually the intention: https://www.quora.com/Did-Palantirs-founders-consider-the-ethical-implications-of-their-work-Do-they-have-thoughts-about-the-consequences-of-what-they-built/answer/Joe-Lonsdale?ch=1 https://www.quora.com/Did-Palantirs-founders-consider-the-et...
  - ozymandias12 7y ago
    What a strong read. Thank you fellow hacker.

Ensuring multinational corporations don't illegally exploit international labor to the detriment of the American worker is doing harm... riiiight.

albalus 7y ago
More like a governmental agency's predatory tracking and snatching of the exploited who are just trying to work as opposed to going after the corporations that are turning a blind eye to the status of their employees and are unwilling to pay competitive wages is ... Wroonnngg.
- cabaalis 7y ago
  > About 4.5 million of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, or 42 percent of the total undocumented population, overstayed visas, according to the report. [1] You're right, they are just people trying to work, and there needs to be better handling of the entire situation. However almost half of them made an agreement with the government and then reneged. People should abide by the agreements they make. [1] https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/border-illegal-immigration-visa-overstays https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/border-illegal-immigr...
  - pm90 7y ago
    Under this criteria, all Marijuana users in the US are guilty of at least Misdemeanors and probably Felony drug possession. Under this criteria, every person who has ever driven over the speed limit, and especially a large amount over the speed limit, is Guilty. Do you see what the problem is with your reasoning.
    - ng12 7y ago
      I'm sure that argument holds up when you're before a judge on a few counts of possession.
      - fzeroracer 7y ago
        So you would agree then that someone caught with a gram of marijuana deserves over a decade in prison? Or are we just going to argue that the law itself is moral and just, while ignoring the uneven application of said laws? Which is really the point here.
    - dmix 7y ago
      What-about-isms always gloss over tons of context. Even drug legalization involves plenty of law and order.
    - mattsfrey 7y ago
      If you're caught for these things you face the associated consequences
      - simonh 7y ago
        So the question is what are the appropriate consequences? This is a reasonable point of debate. On the one hand the consequences probably shouldn't be nothing. On the other they probably shouldn't be irrevocably tearing apart their family, deporting the adults abroad sometimes to the wrong country and then losing track of their young children in the social services system, as a terror tactic to try and scare other visa violators into line.
        mattsfrey 7y ago
        A legislative debate, which is my entire point. People aren't showing anywhere near the level of vitriol that ICE receives towards the local police for enforcing laws that are IMO far more ridiculous. Currently in many states people are torn from their families to be placed in cages and children are dumped into facilities because their parents possessed a benign plant which happens to be legal in a plurality of states -- there's no outrage because there's not the full force of the zeitgeist beaming it through the telescreens as a crisis for political purposes. I don't agree with any of it personally but just have to scoff at the hypocrisy.
- badrabbit 7y ago
  It's not just with ICE. They help cops do a lot of big data citizen tracking and spying. If america had a social credit system like China,palantir would run it. In the movie "Den of thieves" the actors studied real police so well they even included palantir in their dialogue.
badrabbit 7y ago
Not what i said. Straw-man much?

okmokmz 7y ago

Yes, Palantir does do a good job of supporting authoritarian regimes. I guess the yc hive mind disagrees https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/how-peter-thiels-palantir-helped-the-nsa-spy-on-the-whole-world/ https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/how-peter-thiels-palanti... https://southfront.org/palantirs-user-guide-mass-surveillance-made-simple/ https://southfront.org/palantirs-user-guide-mass-surveillanc... https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018-palantir-peter-thiel/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018-palantir-peter-thiel... https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/07/palantirs_surve.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/07/palantirs_sur... https://www.wired.com/story/palantir-surveillance-apple-watch-security-roundup/?verso=true https://www.wired.com/story/palantir-surveillance-apple-watc... https://mijente.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Mijente-The-War-Against-Immigrants_-Trumps-Tech-Tools-Powered-by-Palantir_.pdf https://mijente.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Mijente-The-W...

rubinelli 7y ago

Considering the story of the original Palantir, I couldn't think of a better name.

ng12 7y ago
That's actually the intention: https://www.quora.com/Did-Palantirs-founders-consider-the-ethical-implications-of-their-work-Do-they-have-thoughts-about-the-consequences-of-what-they-built/answer/Joe-Lonsdale?ch=1 https://www.quora.com/Did-Palantirs-founders-consider-the-et...
- ozymandias12 7y ago
  What a strong read. Thank you fellow hacker.