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If you want to keep your car then you should pay the full cost (no free roads and parking for you to use) and externalities (carbon, noise/particulate pollution

If you want to keep your car then you should pay the full cost (no free roads and parking for you to use) and externalities (carbon, noise/particulate pollution) of car ownership. Car owners currently receive trillions of dollars worth of market distorting subsidies from the government.

atemerev 7y ago
I pay the road tax, car tax and fuel tax on that, so I’m fine, thanks. There are no government subsidies for cars in Europe. Parking here is also quite expensive.
- esoterica 7y ago
  I don't know where you live, but in most countries those do not cover the full cost of car ownership (don't forget to include the externalities of carbon emissions and noise/particulate pollution).
  - atemerev 7y ago
    Switzerland. My car is regularly checked for compliance for low emissions standards. Tram line near my house produces much more noise pollution compared to cars.
    - esoterica 7y ago
      If those emissions standards are so rigorous why is climate change still happening? > Tram line near my house produces much more noise pollution compared to cars. Now divide by the number of passengers and try again.
      - atemerev 7y ago
        > If those emissions standards are so rigorous why is climate change still happening? Mostly because of the Chinese industry. Also coal and gas electricity generation. Nuclear power is the solution. > Now divide by the number of passengers and try again. Doesn't work like that. You can't divide noise. There's a threshold level.
        esoterica 7y ago
        Do you think 1 car generates the same amount of noise as 100 cars? 1 tram is not a replacement for 1 car.
      - self_awareness 7y ago
        It's because there are other sources of pollution far worse than cars. For example cargo ships: https://newatlas.com/shipping-pollution/11526/ https://newatlas.com/shipping-pollution/11526/
- alistairSH 7y ago
  Parking in the US is often free, or close to it. Almost all new housing has a codified minimum parking requirement. Instead of letting the market determine parking, it's set by the local government, and almost always more available than market ideal.

atemerev 7y ago

I pay the road tax, car tax and fuel tax on that, so I’m fine, thanks. There are no government subsidies for cars in Europe. Parking here is also quite expensive.

esoterica 7y ago
I don't know where you live, but in most countries those do not cover the full cost of car ownership (don't forget to include the externalities of carbon emissions and noise/particulate pollution).
- atemerev 7y ago
  Switzerland. My car is regularly checked for compliance for low emissions standards. Tram line near my house produces much more noise pollution compared to cars.
  - esoterica 7y ago
    If those emissions standards are so rigorous why is climate change still happening? > Tram line near my house produces much more noise pollution compared to cars. Now divide by the number of passengers and try again.
    - atemerev 7y ago
      > If those emissions standards are so rigorous why is climate change still happening? Mostly because of the Chinese industry. Also coal and gas electricity generation. Nuclear power is the solution. > Now divide by the number of passengers and try again. Doesn't work like that. You can't divide noise. There's a threshold level.
      - esoterica 7y ago
        Do you think 1 car generates the same amount of noise as 100 cars? 1 tram is not a replacement for 1 car.
    - self_awareness 7y ago
      It's because there are other sources of pollution far worse than cars. For example cargo ships: https://newatlas.com/shipping-pollution/11526/ https://newatlas.com/shipping-pollution/11526/
alistairSH 7y ago
Parking in the US is often free, or close to it. Almost all new housing has a codified minimum parking requirement. Instead of letting the market determine parking, it's set by the local government, and almost always more available than market ideal.