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I don't know what that has to do with anything. But it's interesting that you think Soviet Union had megacorporations exploiting other countries for superprofit

I don't know what that has to do with anything. But it's interesting that you think Soviet Union had megacorporations exploiting other countries for superprofits and did it even better than current megacorporations.

gridlockd 7y ago
You may then be surprised to hear that the word "imperialism" has a meaning that does not imply capitalism or corporations of any form: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism
- esailija 7y ago
  I searched the article and the word capitalism appears 13 times on it so it's hard to see how it doesn't refute your own claim. Also capitalism implies imperialism, not the other way around.
  - gridlockd 7y ago
    Maybe you should have read the article instead, or at least the introductory paragraph, which states: "Imperialism was both normal and common worldwide throughout recorded history, the earliest examples dating from the mid-third millennium BC, diminishing only in the late 20th century." I am not aware of any capitalists or corporations predating the Iron Age, but perhaps you can enlighten me there. > Also capitalism implies imperialism, not the other way around. I would disagree that capitalism implies imperialism, but let's put that aside. My claim was exactly that imperialism doesn't imply capitalism, so I guess we agree on that? Non-implication is not exclusion, mind you. The Soviet Union was imperialist, but not capitalist. Having said, that, I'm sure there is a fruitless debate to be had with those Trotzkists that would claim that the Soviet Union was imperialist, capitalist and fascist[1]. [1] https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/iwk-ussr.htm https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/iwk-ussr.htm
piokoch 7y ago
Soviets didn't have megacorps, they (that is soviet government) were just forcing Eastern Block countries to provide food, clothes and whatever they could produce paying for that with fake currency called "transfer ruble" that could have been exchanged for Soviet tanks or guns. That's why Eastern Block suffered from food and other daily usage products shortage. In fact Russians suffered the same due to massive waste, economy inefficiencies, continuous arm race with the West and madman project like White Sea-Baltic channel (Belomorkanal), agriculture "inventions" by Lysenko and thousands of similarly idiotic ideas.

gridlockd 7y ago

You may then be surprised to hear that the word "imperialism" has a meaning that does not imply capitalism or corporations of any form: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism

esailija 7y ago
I searched the article and the word capitalism appears 13 times on it so it's hard to see how it doesn't refute your own claim. Also capitalism implies imperialism, not the other way around.
- gridlockd 7y ago
  Maybe you should have read the article instead, or at least the introductory paragraph, which states: "Imperialism was both normal and common worldwide throughout recorded history, the earliest examples dating from the mid-third millennium BC, diminishing only in the late 20th century." I am not aware of any capitalists or corporations predating the Iron Age, but perhaps you can enlighten me there. > Also capitalism implies imperialism, not the other way around. I would disagree that capitalism implies imperialism, but let's put that aside. My claim was exactly that imperialism doesn't imply capitalism, so I guess we agree on that? Non-implication is not exclusion, mind you. The Soviet Union was imperialist, but not capitalist. Having said, that, I'm sure there is a fruitless debate to be had with those Trotzkists that would claim that the Soviet Union was imperialist, capitalist and fascist[1]. [1] https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/iwk-ussr.htm https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/iwk-ussr.htm

piokoch 7y ago

Soviets didn't have megacorps, they (that is soviet government) were just forcing Eastern Block countries to provide food, clothes and whatever they could produce paying for that with fake currency called "transfer ruble" that could have been exchanged for Soviet tanks or guns. That's why Eastern Block suffered from food and other daily usage products shortage. In fact Russians suffered the same due to massive waste, economy inefficiencies, continuous arm race with the West and madman project like White Sea-Baltic channel (Belomorkanal), agriculture "inventions" by Lysenko and thousands of similarly idiotic ideas.