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> Windows 10 has more built-in advertisements than Google’s Android and Chrome OS do. It's still hard to believe that after paying a few hundreds of dollars fo

> Windows 10 has more built-in advertisements than Google’s Android and Chrome OS do. It's still hard to believe that after paying a few hundreds of dollars for a new OS you will be treated with advertisements, as if it were freeware.. I'll never buy that shit.

jplayer01 7y ago
> It's still hard to believe that after paying a few hundreds of dollars for a new OS I haven't checked, but are the ads in the enterprise versions? Otherwise, I'd guess that the vast majority of home consumers have an OEM key that came with their laptop or PC (or upgraded from Win7), and they didn't pay hundreds of dollars for. While the price of Win10 is included in some way in the price of the device, it wouldn't be nearly as much. Also, from what I remember, 1903 has gotten rid of most of the ads on a fresh installation, so it seems to be improving. edit: Actually, I didn't realize there were actual ad notifications at all in Win10. Never seen them before. Maybe region/setting dependent? I only meant the games and other third party stuff that show up in the start menu.
- AnonymousPlanet 7y ago
  As a freelancer, I'm not some home consumer, but someone with a business laptop. A business laptop I need to take to meetings. I need to show my business partners what is on my screen. This is not the time for some bloody Candy Crush ad popping up. And this is not the time to realise that last night's forced update borked your presentation. As a freelancer, however, I cannot get the enterprise version of Windows 10 unless I buy at least n instances of it. I'd rather use that money to buy a real business laptop like a Mac Book Pro. No ads. No work ruining updates. Professionally maintainable without having a Windows Server sitting next to it. Backups that work. Real UNIX underneath. I also was very happy with a Thinkpad plus Ubuntu LTS. Professionally maintainable, UNIX like underneath, smooth updates. I set up backups myself, but at least I had full control over it. I had to settle on the Mac because of the availability of MS Office. I got tired of having to run that using a VM inside which I, yet again, had to maintain a Windows. I tried Windows 10 for a while. At first I was pleasantly surprised, but then all the problems piled up. Fighting shitty drivers just to get sound working properly, constant updates, ads popping up again and again in the start menu and even on the lock screen, fighting to get at least a semblance of a usable command line.
  - jplayer01 7y ago
    I think you misunderstand. I'm not defending them at all.
- filleduchaos 7y ago
  > Otherwise, I'd guess that the vast majority of home consumers have an OEM key that came with their laptop or PC (or upgraded from Win7), and they didn't pay hundreds of dollars for. They do pay for it, as you acknowledge in your next sentence. Most OEMs explicitly include the price of Windows in their device pricing (which is made clear if the product is customizable to the point of choosing Linux or no OS - that pretty much always drops the price).
  - jplayer01 7y ago
    > that pretty much always drops the price My point being that the price is far lower than what you'd pay in a store. Still no excuse for all the ads and tracking, but if you're going to impale Microsoft, at least be honest about what the context is. Their behaviour is abhorrent enough that you don't need to make shit up.
TeMPOraL 7y ago
It's increasingly common everywhere on-line (and off-line). Companies consider advertising an additional revenue stream, and see no reason to not add it regardless of whether the product is paid for or distributed for free.
- AnonymousPlanet 7y ago
  That doesn't vindicate adding ads to an OS used for business. Apple is able not to do it so why not Microsoft? Desktop OS != Mobile OS Desktop OS != some f website
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Of course it doesn't. The cancer of advertising didn't spread to Apple's OS yet. Doesn't mean it won't, though.
    - Nextgrid 7y ago
      The ads in the iOS App Store search results are concerning. They may be the beginning of the end.
      - TeMPOraL 7y ago
        You can see further community norms in software breaking down. There are already semi-ads in Ubuntu's MOTD. Few days ago I did `npm install` on a project and saw literal ads spamming my console, asking to maybe support some library's author on Patreon and notifying me (a dozen times) that said author "is looking for a good job".
        dmix 7y ago
        Which npm project was that if you dont mind me asking?
    - izacus 7y ago
      Apple has no problems with regularly spamming me with notifications to use iCloud, upgrade to new macOS or to use AppStore features. It's coming there too.
beatgammit 7y ago
And that's why I don't pay for it. If Microsoft is going to include ads regardless, I might as well not pay. I'm not pirating, I'm just skipping the license phase of the installer and have an "Activate Windows" tab in the settings. I used to pay for Windows (have never pirated), but since I use Linux mostly full-time, I don't see why I should if they're going to give me the option to not pay and still get updates. I got a license for my wife and my laptop has one, but I just don't bother for my desktop partition and VMs.

jplayer01 7y ago

> It's still hard to believe that after paying a few hundreds of dollars for a new OS I haven't checked, but are the ads in the enterprise versions? Otherwise, I'd guess that the vast majority of home consumers have an OEM key that came with their laptop or PC (or upgraded from Win7), and they didn't pay hundreds of dollars for. While the price of Win10 is included in some way in the price of the device, it wouldn't be nearly as much. Also, from what I remember, 1903 has gotten rid of most of the ads on a fresh installation, so it seems to be improving. edit: Actually, I didn't realize there were actual ad notifications at all in Win10. Never seen them before. Maybe region/setting dependent? I only meant the games and other third party stuff that show up in the start menu.

AnonymousPlanet 7y ago
As a freelancer, I'm not some home consumer, but someone with a business laptop. A business laptop I need to take to meetings. I need to show my business partners what is on my screen. This is not the time for some bloody Candy Crush ad popping up. And this is not the time to realise that last night's forced update borked your presentation. As a freelancer, however, I cannot get the enterprise version of Windows 10 unless I buy at least n instances of it. I'd rather use that money to buy a real business laptop like a Mac Book Pro. No ads. No work ruining updates. Professionally maintainable without having a Windows Server sitting next to it. Backups that work. Real UNIX underneath. I also was very happy with a Thinkpad plus Ubuntu LTS. Professionally maintainable, UNIX like underneath, smooth updates. I set up backups myself, but at least I had full control over it. I had to settle on the Mac because of the availability of MS Office. I got tired of having to run that using a VM inside which I, yet again, had to maintain a Windows. I tried Windows 10 for a while. At first I was pleasantly surprised, but then all the problems piled up. Fighting shitty drivers just to get sound working properly, constant updates, ads popping up again and again in the start menu and even on the lock screen, fighting to get at least a semblance of a usable command line.
- jplayer01 7y ago
  I think you misunderstand. I'm not defending them at all.
filleduchaos 7y ago
> Otherwise, I'd guess that the vast majority of home consumers have an OEM key that came with their laptop or PC (or upgraded from Win7), and they didn't pay hundreds of dollars for. They do pay for it, as you acknowledge in your next sentence. Most OEMs explicitly include the price of Windows in their device pricing (which is made clear if the product is customizable to the point of choosing Linux or no OS - that pretty much always drops the price).
- jplayer01 7y ago
  > that pretty much always drops the price My point being that the price is far lower than what you'd pay in a store. Still no excuse for all the ads and tracking, but if you're going to impale Microsoft, at least be honest about what the context is. Their behaviour is abhorrent enough that you don't need to make shit up.

TeMPOraL 7y ago

It's increasingly common everywhere on-line (and off-line). Companies consider advertising an additional revenue stream, and see no reason to not add it regardless of whether the product is paid for or distributed for free.

AnonymousPlanet 7y ago
That doesn't vindicate adding ads to an OS used for business. Apple is able not to do it so why not Microsoft? Desktop OS != Mobile OS Desktop OS != some f website
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  Of course it doesn't. The cancer of advertising didn't spread to Apple's OS yet. Doesn't mean it won't, though.
  - Nextgrid 7y ago
    The ads in the iOS App Store search results are concerning. They may be the beginning of the end.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      You can see further community norms in software breaking down. There are already semi-ads in Ubuntu's MOTD. Few days ago I did `npm install` on a project and saw literal ads spamming my console, asking to maybe support some library's author on Patreon and notifying me (a dozen times) that said author "is looking for a good job".
      - dmix 7y ago
        Which npm project was that if you dont mind me asking?
  - izacus 7y ago
    Apple has no problems with regularly spamming me with notifications to use iCloud, upgrade to new macOS or to use AppStore features. It's coming there too.

beatgammit 7y ago

And that's why I don't pay for it. If Microsoft is going to include ads regardless, I might as well not pay. I'm not pirating, I'm just skipping the license phase of the installer and have an "Activate Windows" tab in the settings. I used to pay for Windows (have never pirated), but since I use Linux mostly full-time, I don't see why I should if they're going to give me the option to not pay and still get updates. I got a license for my wife and my laptop has one, but I just don't bother for my desktop partition and VMs.