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All that shows is that Massachusetts system is flawed. For instance, there are zero medical bankruptcies in Switzerland, France, or Germany.
by michaelchisari 16y ago
All that shows is that Massachusetts system is flawed. For instance, there are zero medical bankruptcies in Switzerland, France, or Germany.
- yummyfajitas 16y agoEven if it were flawed, you'd expect some effect. Also, you are simply wrong with your international comparison. If we apply the standards of Warren's study, any bankrupt citizen of France who spent $1001 or more in taxes on France's national health care system was a "medical bankruptcy".
- michaelchisari 16y agoEven if it were flawed, you'd expect some effect. Why? If you improperly implement a system, you don't have to have any reasonable expectation of success. If I recreate a system incorrectly, I can't say, well, I should expect at least a 5% success rate. Often, poor implementations can cause negative results. any bankrupt citizen of France who spent $1001 or more in taxes That would be incorrect, because medical bankruptcies are the result of medical costs directly. For instance, being in a car accident or being diagnosed with HIV, neither of which directly result in a bankruptcy of any kind due to medical costs in those countries.
- yummyfajitas 16y agoWhy? If you improperly implement a system, you don't have to have any reasonable expectation of success. So you truly believe that forcing everyone to purchase low deductible medical insurance is so deeply flawed that it will not reduce medical bankruptcies at all? Good to know. That would be incorrect, because medical bankruptcies are the result of medical costs directly. According to Elizabeth Warren's criteria, anyone who spent $1001 on medical expenses in the 2 years prior to their bankruptcy is classified as a medical bankruptcy. So for example, Michael Vick's bankruptcy was a "medical bankruptcy" by the criteria of the study we are discussing. (For those unfamiliar, other contributing factors to Vick's bankruptcy were spending wildly on consumer goods like mansions and boats, going to jail, and losing his job as NFL quarterback as a result. But nevertheless, Elizabeth Warren believes this was a medical bankruptcy.)
- michaelchisari 16y agoso deeply flawed that it will not reduce medical bankruptcies at all? Yes, which is why I support a national health care system, like France or Germany. A public option, which Massachusetts lacks, has also been shown to work better, although I don't consider it ideal by any stretch. According to Elizabeth Warren's criteria First off, we don't need to use Elizabeth Warren's criteria to recognize how medical bankruptcies affect people. There's plenty of studies out there which use different criteria, but none of which conclude with Zero.
- yummyfajitas 16y agoThere's plenty of studies... [citation needed.] (Fun fact, I've looked into the literature here. Most "medical bankruptcies", as defined by reputable studies, are actually a result of job loss for medical reasons. People still break their back and become unable to work in France.)
- michaelchisari 16y agoPeople still break their back and become unable to work in France. Do you know much about the social security system in France?