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One thing that is interesting, is that people of Asian origin are increasingly being lumped in with white people. Whenever, you hear about lack of minorities in

One thing that is interesting, is that people of Asian origin are increasingly being lumped in with white people. Whenever, you hear about lack of minorities in a certain field, people of Asian origins are inevitably excluded from the analysis by being put in the category of "whites and Asians". Right now people of Asian origin, are by and large liberal and support Democrats over Republicans. But if Democrats, keep pursuing policies that disadvantage their children, do not be surprised, if in the near future, you see Republicans making large in-roads with people of Asian origin.

deogeo 7y ago
Because in a lot of cases, when you split whites and Asians apart, it turns out whites are under-represented (e.g. at Google, at Harvard, at Yale..) That would raise too many questions.
manfredo 7y ago
The word "minority" has the connotation of "underpriviliged". While there are poor Asians, the median Asian American income is $20k higher than the median US income ($80k vs $60k). Also, historically Asian Americans actually have voted more conservative (over 2/3 voted Republican as late as the 80s). The shift towards democrats was more recent, and is considered to be a product of anti-immigrant Republican policy and tensions with China (large segment of Asian Americans are Chinese).
rayiner 7y ago
Note that Asians skewed quite strongly republican as recently as 1996, and some Asian groups still do (Vietnamese Americans overwhelmingly approve of Trump). That said, Trump got just 18% of the Asian vote, far less than the 32% he got of the Hispanic vote. Although the nativist tendencies of the Republican Party as of late have been directed at Hispanics, Asians have somehow reacted even even more strongly to that tone.
- weiming 7y ago
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  - triceratops 7y ago
    > Mainstream media says "Republicans bad," You mean apart from the highest-rated cable channel, the largest TV station operator[2], and the second-largest daily newspaper, in the US?[3][4] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News#Ratings_and_reception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News#Ratings_and_reception 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group#2018_journalistic_responsibility_promos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group#2018_... 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_States#By_circulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_Unit... 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal#Political_stance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal#Politi...
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      - StudentStuff 7y ago
        Sounds like you live in a bubble
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    - manfredo 7y ago
      Sure, Fox new may be the highest rated cable channel. But it's pretty much the only mainstream conservative cable network. Also, categorizing the Wall Street Journal as conservative is rather dubious. They lean liberal on most social issues, people mostly just assume they're conservative because they have a centrist understanding of market principles (e.g. that rent control won't lower the cost of housing in the long run). The percentage of journalists that identify as Republicans is in the single digits: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/just-7-percent-of-journalists-are-republicans-thats-far-less-than-even-a-decade-ago/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/ju...
RickJWagner 7y ago
I saw a news spot on Eddie Huang last week. Guy described himself as a 'short, fat Chinese guy'. Turns out he is actually a lawyer, best-selling author, clothing designer and successful restaurant owner. They interviewed his parents, too. They seemed like the super-strict type, understandably very proud of their son. I told my kids: "See? That guy is unstoppable. He believes he can work hard and do anything. And he can." It made me proud to be an American.
malandrew 7y ago
Ultimately so much of success comes down to culture and values and this is why you see groups such as Asians, Jews and Mormons succeed. No amount of programs to try and achieve equitable outcomes will overcome what can be achieved due to culture and values.
- rtmaximo 7y ago
  I'm perplexed thinking why you were downvoted. Do your downvoters think that our genetics determine most of the outcomes? Also, b4 anyone claims it, wealth does play a role, but looking at how lottery winners fare, I would stick with culture and values having a more fundamental, causal impact.
  - malandrew 7y ago
    My guess is that the existence of groups that have an excellent track record or producing highly successful individuals creates bursts the privilege narrative and causes cognitive dissonance and downvoting. Jews were slaughtered by the millions in Europe and had most of their possessions and capital stolen from them and yet after their ordeal was over, they recovered and many built all that they had lost again from the ground up, many of them many times over. Plus, look at the number of noble prize winners, 20% of whom have been Jewish. The Chinese came over to the West coast in the US and were the very definition of a marginalized community, yet they've done remarkably well. Those that have time to apply the strong values around work and building up intergenerational wealth in a country that respects property rights have absolutely flourished. These days, many of those that aren't well off are typically those that are recent immigrants that fled a countries where they did not have the opportunity to build wealth so they are starting again from the bottom. Mormons were persecuted and moved westward trying to find a place where they'd be left alone and they've done remarkably well for themselves in and around Utah. It goes beyond those groups. The Quakers in New England did well. Many of the Italian and Irish immigrants that came to the US and settled in the Northeast United States have done quite well for themselves despite being second class citizens in the US upon their arrival. One of the best examples showing that culture and values matter is that black immigrants out-earn US-born blacks. Culture and values matter. It's what leads parents to have books in the house, what leads them to get their kids reading books, what leads them to be involved in their children's schooling, what leads them to join the PTA, what leads them to teach their kids about money and savings, what leads them to maintain a nuclear family instead of splitting up into single-parent households, what leads them to teach pro-social pro-cooperation values like not coveting what others have, forgiveness and hard work, and lastly what leads them to eventually have families of their own and pass along all the culture and values to their kids that their parents taught them. Rome was not built in a day. Yes, wealth plays a role, but something lead to that wealth creation in the first place and lead to that wealth persisting across generations instead of it all being gone by the third generation that inherited it. Plus, most of the wealth held by individuals in the groups above weren't earned all by one massively successful individual. Most of it was build upon incrementally by each generation that passed along not only wealth, but the culture and values that built that wealth and that will allow that wealth to be built into an even larger pot for the next generation.

deogeo 7y ago

Because in a lot of cases, when you split whites and Asians apart, it turns out whites are under-represented (e.g. at Google, at Harvard, at Yale..) That would raise too many questions.

manfredo 7y ago

The word "minority" has the connotation of "underpriviliged". While there are poor Asians, the median Asian American income is $20k higher than the median US income ($80k vs $60k). Also, historically Asian Americans actually have voted more conservative (over 2/3 voted Republican as late as the 80s). The shift towards democrats was more recent, and is considered to be a product of anti-immigrant Republican policy and tensions with China (large segment of Asian Americans are Chinese).

rayiner 7y ago

Note that Asians skewed quite strongly republican as recently as 1996, and some Asian groups still do (Vietnamese Americans overwhelmingly approve of Trump). That said, Trump got just 18% of the Asian vote, far less than the 32% he got of the Hispanic vote. Although the nativist tendencies of the Republican Party as of late have been directed at Hispanics, Asians have somehow reacted even even more strongly to that tone.

weiming 7y ago
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- triceratops 7y ago
  > Mainstream media says "Republicans bad," You mean apart from the highest-rated cable channel, the largest TV station operator[2], and the second-largest daily newspaper, in the US?[3][4] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News#Ratings_and_reception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News#Ratings_and_reception 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group#2018_journalistic_responsibility_promos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group#2018_... 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_States#By_circulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_Unit... 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal#Political_stance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal#Politi...
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    - StudentStuff 7y ago
      Sounds like you live in a bubble
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  - manfredo 7y ago
    Sure, Fox new may be the highest rated cable channel. But it's pretty much the only mainstream conservative cable network. Also, categorizing the Wall Street Journal as conservative is rather dubious. They lean liberal on most social issues, people mostly just assume they're conservative because they have a centrist understanding of market principles (e.g. that rent control won't lower the cost of housing in the long run). The percentage of journalists that identify as Republicans is in the single digits: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/just-7-percent-of-journalists-are-republicans-thats-far-less-than-even-a-decade-ago/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/ju...

RickJWagner 7y ago

I saw a news spot on Eddie Huang last week. Guy described himself as a 'short, fat Chinese guy'. Turns out he is actually a lawyer, best-selling author, clothing designer and successful restaurant owner. They interviewed his parents, too. They seemed like the super-strict type, understandably very proud of their son. I told my kids: "See? That guy is unstoppable. He believes he can work hard and do anything. And he can." It made me proud to be an American.

malandrew 7y ago

Ultimately so much of success comes down to culture and values and this is why you see groups such as Asians, Jews and Mormons succeed. No amount of programs to try and achieve equitable outcomes will overcome what can be achieved due to culture and values.

rtmaximo 7y ago
I'm perplexed thinking why you were downvoted. Do your downvoters think that our genetics determine most of the outcomes? Also, b4 anyone claims it, wealth does play a role, but looking at how lottery winners fare, I would stick with culture and values having a more fundamental, causal impact.
- malandrew 7y ago
  My guess is that the existence of groups that have an excellent track record or producing highly successful individuals creates bursts the privilege narrative and causes cognitive dissonance and downvoting. Jews were slaughtered by the millions in Europe and had most of their possessions and capital stolen from them and yet after their ordeal was over, they recovered and many built all that they had lost again from the ground up, many of them many times over. Plus, look at the number of noble prize winners, 20% of whom have been Jewish. The Chinese came over to the West coast in the US and were the very definition of a marginalized community, yet they've done remarkably well. Those that have time to apply the strong values around work and building up intergenerational wealth in a country that respects property rights have absolutely flourished. These days, many of those that aren't well off are typically those that are recent immigrants that fled a countries where they did not have the opportunity to build wealth so they are starting again from the bottom. Mormons were persecuted and moved westward trying to find a place where they'd be left alone and they've done remarkably well for themselves in and around Utah. It goes beyond those groups. The Quakers in New England did well. Many of the Italian and Irish immigrants that came to the US and settled in the Northeast United States have done quite well for themselves despite being second class citizens in the US upon their arrival. One of the best examples showing that culture and values matter is that black immigrants out-earn US-born blacks. Culture and values matter. It's what leads parents to have books in the house, what leads them to get their kids reading books, what leads them to be involved in their children's schooling, what leads them to join the PTA, what leads them to teach their kids about money and savings, what leads them to maintain a nuclear family instead of splitting up into single-parent households, what leads them to teach pro-social pro-cooperation values like not coveting what others have, forgiveness and hard work, and lastly what leads them to eventually have families of their own and pass along all the culture and values to their kids that their parents taught them. Rome was not built in a day. Yes, wealth plays a role, but something lead to that wealth creation in the first place and lead to that wealth persisting across generations instead of it all being gone by the third generation that inherited it. Plus, most of the wealth held by individuals in the groups above weren't earned all by one massively successful individual. Most of it was build upon incrementally by each generation that passed along not only wealth, but the culture and values that built that wealth and that will allow that wealth to be built into an even larger pot for the next generation.