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>because Nationalism is antithetical to the ideas of Liberty and Democracy. What makes you think that, exactly?

by asdf21 7y ago

gourabmi 7y ago
Here is some food for thought on that subject http://tagoreweb.in/Render/ShowContent.aspx?ct=Essays&bi=72EE92F5-BE50-40D7-8E6E-0F7410664DA3&ti=72EE92F5-BE50-4A47-2E6E-0F7410664DA3 http://tagoreweb.in/Render/ShowContent.aspx?ct=Essays&bi=72E...
- asdf21 7y ago
  From your link: >And I feel tempted to put the same question to our American critics with a slight modification, 'What have you done with the Red Indian and the Negro?' For you have not got over your attitude of caste toward them. You have used violent methods to keep aloof from other races, but until you have solved the question here in America, you have no right to question India. As far as I know, there are zero laws that are prejudiced towards native Americans or POC and haven't been in decades..
Miner49er 7y ago
Well, let me give some examples. Citizenship is used to deny people without it participation in Democracy and deny them certain freedoms, for example. Borders deny freedom of movement and are currently being used to lock people up (deny them virtually all freedom) for crossing an imaginary line. Nations create and enforce inequality is basically what it comes down to. They are created and enforced through violence.
- yesenadam 7y ago
  Some good points, but I don't think 'nationalism' means what you think it means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism
  - Miner49er 7y ago
    Well, yeah I'm talking about "nations" but you can't have nationalism without a nation. And you can't have a nation without the idea of citizenship or borders right?
    - gourabmi 7y ago
      Don't let the wordplay confuse you. There can definitely be nationalism without a nation. One of many examples being Kurdistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > Well, yeah I'm talking about "nations" but you can't have nationalism without a nation. Correct, basically. > And you can't have a nation without the idea of citizenship or borders right? Wrong: citizenship and, especially, borders are features of the association with and territorial limits of the jurisdiction of a state. A nation is an identity group which may or may not have a state, a state is a political unit which may or may not be tightly associated with a nation. The modern nation-state system is one in which there is a norm that states tend to be coextensive with nations, and where that isn't the case either nations try to carve out states or states try to create new national identities.

>because Nationalism is antithetical to the ideas of Liberty and Democracy. What makes you think that, exactly?

by asdf21 7y ago

>because Nationalism is antithetical to the ideas of Liberty and Democracy. What makes you think that, exactly?

Here is some food for thought on that subject http://tagoreweb.in/Render/ShowContent.aspx?ct=Essays&bi=72EE92F5-BE50-40D7-8E6E-0F7410664DA3&ti=72EE92F5-BE50-4A47-2E6E-0F7410664DA3 http://tagoreweb.in/Render/ShowContent.aspx?ct=Essays&bi=72E...

asdf21 7y ago
From your link: >And I feel tempted to put the same question to our American critics with a slight modification, 'What have you done with the Red Indian and the Negro?' For you have not got over your attitude of caste toward them. You have used violent methods to keep aloof from other races, but until you have solved the question here in America, you have no right to question India. As far as I know, there are zero laws that are prejudiced towards native Americans or POC and haven't been in decades..

Miner49er 7y ago

Well, let me give some examples. Citizenship is used to deny people without it participation in Democracy and deny them certain freedoms, for example. Borders deny freedom of movement and are currently being used to lock people up (deny them virtually all freedom) for crossing an imaginary line. Nations create and enforce inequality is basically what it comes down to. They are created and enforced through violence.

yesenadam 7y ago
Some good points, but I don't think 'nationalism' means what you think it means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism
- Miner49er 7y ago
  Well, yeah I'm talking about "nations" but you can't have nationalism without a nation. And you can't have a nation without the idea of citizenship or borders right?
  - gourabmi 7y ago
    Don't let the wordplay confuse you. There can definitely be nationalism without a nation. One of many examples being Kurdistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > Well, yeah I'm talking about "nations" but you can't have nationalism without a nation. Correct, basically. > And you can't have a nation without the idea of citizenship or borders right? Wrong: citizenship and, especially, borders are features of the association with and territorial limits of the jurisdiction of a state. A nation is an identity group which may or may not have a state, a state is a political unit which may or may not be tightly associated with a nation. The modern nation-state system is one in which there is a norm that states tend to be coextensive with nations, and where that isn't the case either nations try to carve out states or states try to create new national identities.