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I can speak to the NJTransit example briefly buzzed past. In NJ, train stations are not destinations. Most people I see get off the train and into either an Ube

by Endy 7y ago

I can speak to the NJTransit example briefly buzzed past. In NJ, train stations are not destinations. Most people I see get off the train and into either an Uber or some other NJTransit vehicle. Edited because of a misclick.

EliRivers 7y ago
In NJ, train stations are not destinations. Isn't that the point the writer is making? That they should be bustling hives of residential, retail and commercial activity.
- Endy 7y ago
  Yes, and the issue is that the trains were put in places that never were destinations. You would have to change the long-standing habits of businesses and commuters to alter that. Even they light rail doesn't change that. Mass transit fits in the edges and cracks here, and is something of a "necessary annoyance" to the state. For proof, look no further than the aggressive privatization of bus lines to companies who can't or won't run the buses on the schedule set by NJTransit. And they aren't being penalized in any meaningful way.
vonmoltke 7y ago
Most aren't. Some towns are trying to change that. On the Montclair-Boonton line Bloomfield and Montclair (Bay Street) have higher-end apartment and mixed-use complexes either right next to the station or within a short walk. I know the Main-Bergen line pretty much fits that description, though. Hell, there's one "station" that is just a half-ass strip of asphalt that passes for a parking lot.
- Endy 7y ago
  I can think of three that fit that description. Or the ones up a bunch of stairs, with no parking and no real signs.
asdff 7y ago
Those are commuter stations where you might live a couple miles away. Would you take an uber when you are a 10 min walk away? What if you had a bike lane and that became 3 mins with a scooter? All it takes is a place open at 6 am and a place open from 5pm on for an area like that to completely transform. People using uber is the fault of the transit area being zoned improperly.
- Endy 7y ago
  I can't ride a scooter or a bicycle - no balance and I can't even see well enough to get a license. So yes, 10 minutes' walk from a station to work, I'm probably getting into a climate-controlled Uber if there's no easy bus, so I don't have to change (and somehow shower in the summer) before walking into work.
  - asdff 7y ago
    This comes in every thread about transport and last mile solution. Someone has a reason for why they in particular cannot use transit oriented solutions. I'm not trying to belittle you, your reason is perfectly medically justified and valid. But there are a lot of people who can ride a bike or scooter, or who can stand to walk 10 mins. You won't get sweaty walking 10 minutes in LA in the morning; tomorrow it will be 69* at 9am in ktown. Who cares if you sweat a bit after work on your way home? Getting into a 115* car interior before the AC kicks in will make you sweat as well.

by Endy 7y ago

EliRivers 7y ago

In NJ, train stations are not destinations. Isn't that the point the writer is making? That they should be bustling hives of residential, retail and commercial activity.

Endy 7y ago
Yes, and the issue is that the trains were put in places that never were destinations. You would have to change the long-standing habits of businesses and commuters to alter that. Even they light rail doesn't change that. Mass transit fits in the edges and cracks here, and is something of a "necessary annoyance" to the state. For proof, look no further than the aggressive privatization of bus lines to companies who can't or won't run the buses on the schedule set by NJTransit. And they aren't being penalized in any meaningful way.

vonmoltke 7y ago

Most aren't. Some towns are trying to change that. On the Montclair-Boonton line Bloomfield and Montclair (Bay Street) have higher-end apartment and mixed-use complexes either right next to the station or within a short walk. I know the Main-Bergen line pretty much fits that description, though. Hell, there's one "station" that is just a half-ass strip of asphalt that passes for a parking lot.

Endy 7y ago
I can think of three that fit that description. Or the ones up a bunch of stairs, with no parking and no real signs.

asdff 7y ago

Those are commuter stations where you might live a couple miles away. Would you take an uber when you are a 10 min walk away? What if you had a bike lane and that became 3 mins with a scooter? All it takes is a place open at 6 am and a place open from 5pm on for an area like that to completely transform. People using uber is the fault of the transit area being zoned improperly.

Endy 7y ago
I can't ride a scooter or a bicycle - no balance and I can't even see well enough to get a license. So yes, 10 minutes' walk from a station to work, I'm probably getting into a climate-controlled Uber if there's no easy bus, so I don't have to change (and somehow shower in the summer) before walking into work.
- asdff 7y ago
  This comes in every thread about transport and last mile solution. Someone has a reason for why they in particular cannot use transit oriented solutions. I'm not trying to belittle you, your reason is perfectly medically justified and valid. But there are a lot of people who can ride a bike or scooter, or who can stand to walk 10 mins. You won't get sweaty walking 10 minutes in LA in the morning; tomorrow it will be 69* at 9am in ktown. Who cares if you sweat a bit after work on your way home? Getting into a 115* car interior before the AC kicks in will make you sweat as well.