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I was super pumped by this, and took some time to look into pdoc3 too. - https://github.com/pdoc3/pdoc/issues/87 https://github.com/pdoc3/pdoc/issues/87 - htt

I was super pumped by this, and took some time to look into pdoc3 too. - https://github.com/pdoc3/pdoc/issues/87 https://github.com/pdoc3/pdoc/issues/87 - https://github.com/pdoc3/pdoc/issues/64 https://github.com/pdoc3/pdoc/issues/64 That's a hard pass from me. I'm not going to link my employer's name (much less my own name) to anything with a swastika on it.

timothycrosley 7y ago
I saw that as well, late into the project creation. The pdoc3 maintainer claims it's not that - but there are other reasons to want to want to avoid pdoc3. I'm going to be working on replace the pdoc3 dependency with pdoc in a way that is transparent to users.
- isbjorn16 7y ago
  Fantastic! I look forward to this :)
  - timothycrosley 7y ago
    The change away from pdoc3 and to a new fork of the original pdoc (called pdocs) has landed: https://github.com/timothycrosley/portray/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#120---september-3-2019 https://github.com/timothycrosley/portray/blob/master/CHANGE... https://timothycrosley.github.io/pdocs/ https://timothycrosley.github.io/pdocs/ Thanks! ~Timothy
- dragonsh 7y ago
  Great to see you are receptive to this change. I didn't notice it earlier but then when I see on the right hand corner of the website I was astonished it's there.
  - timothycrosley 7y ago
    The change away from pdoc3 and to a new fork of the original pdoc (called pdocs) has landed: https://github.com/timothycrosley/portray/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#120---september-3-2019 https://github.com/timothycrosley/portray/blob/master/CHANGE... https://timothycrosley.github.io/pdocs/ https://timothycrosley.github.io/pdocs/ Thanks! ~Timothy
mushufasa 7y ago
It looks like it's not on the website anymore? It's true that that swastika (usually going in the other direction) is a buddhist symbol, but it looks like the person who forked it is from Slovenia, which has never been a buddhist country but was briefly a Nazi country. It's hard to believe that was an accidental oversight.
- wwwhizz 7y ago
  Still here: https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ (bottom only). Seems like he means well, but if he means that well, why not remove them?
  - mushufasa 7y ago
    oh man that's sneaky. They're very faint. The sneak factor does not belie good intentions, regardless of claims.
    - squeaky-clean 7y ago
      These barely appeared on my laptop's screen. I went back and checked twice because of comments before actually seeing it.
    - StavrosK 7y ago
      It's only sneaky if you assume bad intentions. Otherwise they're discreet.
  - sooheon 7y ago
    I think being told what you are not allowed to do by strangers on the internet can elicit a certain stubbornness. I don't blame either side, but think it is strange for people to be so sure of another's intentions.
    - isbjorn16 7y ago
      For what it's worth, I'm not claiming I'm certain he's a nazi sympathizer. What I am claiming is I cannot risk media or competitors making a big deal out of it, even if he means well. Surely that isn't a far out proposition, right?
avip 7y ago
I thought it's common knowledge the Nazi symbol is rotated 45° and vents clockwise. Still, agree that removing it is the smart move to increase adoption.
- cdirkx 7y ago
  Many comments are addressing the fact that there is a difference between the clockwise and counter-clockwise symbols and that they should not be confused, but they are both on the website?
- thrax 7y ago
  It's common knowledge amongst Nazi apologists, internet trolls, and actual Nazis. The way your comment is phrased is disturbing. Its not a problem of adoption. It's a problem of normalizing hate. If you don't understand that, I don't want to be associated with you.
  - avip 7y ago
    Ok. Put me in the internet trolls one, that seems the least offensive (I know this from 40 years of watching Holocaust Memorial Day movies)
rat9988 7y ago
I feel bad for the author. To be labelled a nazi for using the counter-clockwise svatiska is undue. Edit: Can I have any argument instead of simply downvoting me?
- lucasmullens 7y ago
  He rotates it the other way in his github profile picture.
  - rat9988 7y ago
    You are right about it, didn't pay attention to his github picture.
- greglindahl 7y ago
  Do you have the same bad feelings for neo-Nazis who try to rules-lawyer the anti-swastika laws of Germany by displaying the mirror image? We're talking about an EU citizen, who is professing to be ignorant of what he learned in school, after he is informed about the issue.
- rickycook 7y ago
  i don’t think people were labelling him a nazi; i think they had issue with their own projects, or their name being accidentally associated with nazis
- atoav 7y ago
  My reasoning to critizise him goes like this: It is quite apparent that he knows about the meanings and uses of the symbol, therefore he could (and should) have anticipated the discussion. I grew up in an environment where nazi insignia are forbidden, and a very common way for convinced nazis to get around this was to just flip the damn thing and claim it is ok now, while in spirit you still go and use it to hail hitler with your friends. I grew up in southern Austria next to the Slovenian border (which is where this guy is based). This part of Austria had a 40% right wing majority in the past and after a few beers right wingers still openly hail hitler in a pub, despite that beeing illegal. My grandfather who passed away a few years ago was a convinced nazi — this thing is still alive here. The author is based in slovenia, literally a hour by car from where I lived. There is no way somebody from that area uses that symbol accidentally, without having considered its nazi connotations. This is an area where every other person had somebody in his family killed by nazis or were profiting from it in some way. So either this person is incredibly naive and tries to overwrite history that is still very much ongoing or it is somebody who in full knowledge of all of this still decided to go with the symbol. In any way it doesn’t look good to me.
krilly 7y ago
There is no question that these are Buddhist swastikas; they are clockwise and also rotated 45 degrees compared to the most common nazi version. It is difficult to appreciate how ubiquitous swastikas are in the Buddhist world until you go there and see them everywhere. I have no doubt that this was an innocent decision.
- isbjorn16 7y ago
  It stopped being an innocent decision once it was pointed out and he doubled down. Put another way: I cannot put my or my employer's interests in Western markets at risk because something is acceptable in Eastern markets. The maintainer can do whatever he wants to do; I'm not questioning that. I'm just saying I won't be using it, even if it would save me from sphinx-autodoc fragility.
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  - samstave 7y ago
    We need to find to re-own the fucking swastika. Jeasus was fucking murdered on a cross, supposedly made to cary it on his shoulders and forced to wear a crown of thorns. So lets assume (which they did) jewish slaves were forced to make their own death chambers and concentration camps, and where the term ghetto comes from. We have operation paperclip for example. SpaceX wouldnt have existed without the work of the nazi V2 units etc... So stop editing history. The fucking cia wouldnt have existed without the oss... etc etc. So we need to reclaim the fucking swastika as a buddhist symbol for over a THOUSAND years.
    - inferiorhuman 7y ago
      We need to find to re-own the fucking swastika. I'd be happy not seeing references to any religion and, quite frankly, I would hesitate to associate my employer with anything espousing religious dogma.
      - 7y ago
peterwwillis 7y ago
You know the Python symbol is a swastika, right? Technically it's a couple snakes that are coiled like a swastika, but if it's "anything to do with a swastika" we should avoid it, right? https://www.flaticon.com/free-icon/python-file-symbol_28884 https://www.flaticon.com/free-icon/python-file-symbol_28884 https://www.python.org/static/img/python-logo.png https://www.python.org/static/img/python-logo.png
- isbjorn16 7y ago
  I think the average person is going to have to have you point out the relation and squint for a while before they see it, if at all. I had to close one eye and really look at it before I saw what you were talking about.
- thrax 7y ago
  Syntactic whitespace is pretty high on my personal fascism chart.
quickthrower2 7y ago
The site has been updated (see issue 64)
- cdirkx 7y ago
  But the site hasn't been updated and that issue dismisses them as not a problem?
  - quickthrower2 7y ago
    I didn't find the symbol on the site linked anymore, and it's different from the screenshot. I may be missing something though?
    - procinct 7y ago
      It's still in the footer. From the screenshot I thought it was directly around the quote but it's actually closer to the edges of the screen when in desktop view.
      - quickthrower2 7y ago
        My bad. I was looking in the wrong spot, they are indeed all the way out to the side and pretty light. Probably in my blind spot on this particular screen size!
wybiral 7y ago
In all fairness to the GitHub account, the Python logo itself could be perceived as the same logo made out of two snakes. But troll culture masquerading as innocent plausible-deniability really is ruining the internet because it's hard not to assume the worst (we see the same symbols being used on purpose to illicit a reaction and that person did respond with "Made you look. :grin:").

timothycrosley 7y ago

I saw that as well, late into the project creation. The pdoc3 maintainer claims it's not that - but there are other reasons to want to want to avoid pdoc3. I'm going to be working on replace the pdoc3 dependency with pdoc in a way that is transparent to users.

isbjorn16 7y ago
Fantastic! I look forward to this :)
- timothycrosley 7y ago
  The change away from pdoc3 and to a new fork of the original pdoc (called pdocs) has landed: https://github.com/timothycrosley/portray/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#120---september-3-2019 https://github.com/timothycrosley/portray/blob/master/CHANGE... https://timothycrosley.github.io/pdocs/ https://timothycrosley.github.io/pdocs/ Thanks! ~Timothy
dragonsh 7y ago
Great to see you are receptive to this change. I didn't notice it earlier but then when I see on the right hand corner of the website I was astonished it's there.
- timothycrosley 7y ago
  The change away from pdoc3 and to a new fork of the original pdoc (called pdocs) has landed: https://github.com/timothycrosley/portray/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#120---september-3-2019 https://github.com/timothycrosley/portray/blob/master/CHANGE... https://timothycrosley.github.io/pdocs/ https://timothycrosley.github.io/pdocs/ Thanks! ~Timothy

mushufasa 7y ago

It looks like it's not on the website anymore? It's true that that swastika (usually going in the other direction) is a buddhist symbol, but it looks like the person who forked it is from Slovenia, which has never been a buddhist country but was briefly a Nazi country. It's hard to believe that was an accidental oversight.

wwwhizz 7y ago
Still here: https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ (bottom only). Seems like he means well, but if he means that well, why not remove them?
- mushufasa 7y ago
  oh man that's sneaky. They're very faint. The sneak factor does not belie good intentions, regardless of claims.
  - squeaky-clean 7y ago
    These barely appeared on my laptop's screen. I went back and checked twice because of comments before actually seeing it.
  - StavrosK 7y ago
    It's only sneaky if you assume bad intentions. Otherwise they're discreet.
- sooheon 7y ago
  I think being told what you are not allowed to do by strangers on the internet can elicit a certain stubbornness. I don't blame either side, but think it is strange for people to be so sure of another's intentions.
  - isbjorn16 7y ago
    For what it's worth, I'm not claiming I'm certain he's a nazi sympathizer. What I am claiming is I cannot risk media or competitors making a big deal out of it, even if he means well. Surely that isn't a far out proposition, right?

avip 7y ago

I thought it's common knowledge the Nazi symbol is rotated 45° and vents clockwise. Still, agree that removing it is the smart move to increase adoption.

cdirkx 7y ago
Many comments are addressing the fact that there is a difference between the clockwise and counter-clockwise symbols and that they should not be confused, but they are both on the website?
thrax 7y ago
It's common knowledge amongst Nazi apologists, internet trolls, and actual Nazis. The way your comment is phrased is disturbing. Its not a problem of adoption. It's a problem of normalizing hate. If you don't understand that, I don't want to be associated with you.
- avip 7y ago
  Ok. Put me in the internet trolls one, that seems the least offensive (I know this from 40 years of watching Holocaust Memorial Day movies)

rat9988 7y ago

I feel bad for the author. To be labelled a nazi for using the counter-clockwise svatiska is undue. Edit: Can I have any argument instead of simply downvoting me?

lucasmullens 7y ago
He rotates it the other way in his github profile picture.
- rat9988 7y ago
  You are right about it, didn't pay attention to his github picture.
greglindahl 7y ago
Do you have the same bad feelings for neo-Nazis who try to rules-lawyer the anti-swastika laws of Germany by displaying the mirror image? We're talking about an EU citizen, who is professing to be ignorant of what he learned in school, after he is informed about the issue.
rickycook 7y ago
i don’t think people were labelling him a nazi; i think they had issue with their own projects, or their name being accidentally associated with nazis
atoav 7y ago
My reasoning to critizise him goes like this: It is quite apparent that he knows about the meanings and uses of the symbol, therefore he could (and should) have anticipated the discussion. I grew up in an environment where nazi insignia are forbidden, and a very common way for convinced nazis to get around this was to just flip the damn thing and claim it is ok now, while in spirit you still go and use it to hail hitler with your friends. I grew up in southern Austria next to the Slovenian border (which is where this guy is based). This part of Austria had a 40% right wing majority in the past and after a few beers right wingers still openly hail hitler in a pub, despite that beeing illegal. My grandfather who passed away a few years ago was a convinced nazi — this thing is still alive here. The author is based in slovenia, literally a hour by car from where I lived. There is no way somebody from that area uses that symbol accidentally, without having considered its nazi connotations. This is an area where every other person had somebody in his family killed by nazis or were profiting from it in some way. So either this person is incredibly naive and tries to overwrite history that is still very much ongoing or it is somebody who in full knowledge of all of this still decided to go with the symbol. In any way it doesn’t look good to me.

krilly 7y ago

There is no question that these are Buddhist swastikas; they are clockwise and also rotated 45 degrees compared to the most common nazi version. It is difficult to appreciate how ubiquitous swastikas are in the Buddhist world until you go there and see them everywhere. I have no doubt that this was an innocent decision.

isbjorn16 7y ago
It stopped being an innocent decision once it was pointed out and he doubled down. Put another way: I cannot put my or my employer's interests in Western markets at risk because something is acceptable in Eastern markets. The maintainer can do whatever he wants to do; I'm not questioning that. I'm just saying I won't be using it, even if it would save me from sphinx-autodoc fragility.
- deleted 7y ago
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- samstave 7y ago
  We need to find to re-own the fucking swastika. Jeasus was fucking murdered on a cross, supposedly made to cary it on his shoulders and forced to wear a crown of thorns. So lets assume (which they did) jewish slaves were forced to make their own death chambers and concentration camps, and where the term ghetto comes from. We have operation paperclip for example. SpaceX wouldnt have existed without the work of the nazi V2 units etc... So stop editing history. The fucking cia wouldnt have existed without the oss... etc etc. So we need to reclaim the fucking swastika as a buddhist symbol for over a THOUSAND years.
  - inferiorhuman 7y ago
    We need to find to re-own the fucking swastika. I'd be happy not seeing references to any religion and, quite frankly, I would hesitate to associate my employer with anything espousing religious dogma.
    - 7y ago

peterwwillis 7y ago

You know the Python symbol is a swastika, right? Technically it's a couple snakes that are coiled like a swastika, but if it's "anything to do with a swastika" we should avoid it, right? https://www.flaticon.com/free-icon/python-file-symbol_28884 https://www.flaticon.com/free-icon/python-file-symbol_28884 https://www.python.org/static/img/python-logo.png https://www.python.org/static/img/python-logo.png

isbjorn16 7y ago
I think the average person is going to have to have you point out the relation and squint for a while before they see it, if at all. I had to close one eye and really look at it before I saw what you were talking about.
thrax 7y ago
Syntactic whitespace is pretty high on my personal fascism chart.

quickthrower2 7y ago

The site has been updated (see issue 64)

cdirkx 7y ago
But the site hasn't been updated and that issue dismisses them as not a problem?
- quickthrower2 7y ago
  I didn't find the symbol on the site linked anymore, and it's different from the screenshot. I may be missing something though?
  - procinct 7y ago
    It's still in the footer. From the screenshot I thought it was directly around the quote but it's actually closer to the edges of the screen when in desktop view.
    - quickthrower2 7y ago
      My bad. I was looking in the wrong spot, they are indeed all the way out to the side and pretty light. Probably in my blind spot on this particular screen size!

wybiral 7y ago

In all fairness to the GitHub account, the Python logo itself could be perceived as the same logo made out of two snakes. But troll culture masquerading as innocent plausible-deniability really is ruining the internet because it's hard not to assume the worst (we see the same symbols being used on purpose to illicit a reaction and that person did respond with "Made you look. :grin:").