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From their website: “Out of courtesy to our neighbors, only service dogs and invited demonstration dogs are allowed in the museum” :-(

stronglikedan 7y ago
All dogs are service dogs when you're not allowed to challenge it.
- mttyng 7y ago
  I’m sure the following statement will lead to my e-crucifixion, but: As much as I love dogs (RIP to my passed, canine buddy), I think the “take your dogs everywhere” thing is out of control now. Maybe that’s not that dangerous of a sentiment, but I shouldn’t have to dodge your dog in the supermarket. At what point do we as a society start pushing back on this?
  - drngdds 7y ago
    Service dogs are a real thing that people with certain disabilities actually need. As such, I really hope the answer to your question is "never."
    - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
      I recently went to the hardware store, and there were five separate people with dogs. I'm going to guess that the number that were actual service dogs was either zero or one, and my money is on zero. Sure, people should be able to take a service dog everywhere. It does not follow that people should be able to take any dog everywhere.
      - trhway 7y ago
        why can't i take my dog anywhere? He is more well behaved and cleaner then many people and children. Typically alleged sanitary/health issues wrt. dogs presence are obviously moot once you take a look say at France where dogs are welcome in restaurants for example and nobody is dying from cholera/etc..
        decebalus1 7y ago
        A couple of reasons: - some people are allergic - some people were mauled by dogs in the past and a strange dog can trigger their PTSD - some dogs are unpredictable and may shit/piss on the floor if they get scared - some dogs bite - some small kids/toddlers don't (and shouldn't) know how to handle strange dogs and may do something (like pull the dog's ears or something) to set the dog off - some dogs bark for no reason and become a nuisance Your freedom ends when other people's freedom starts. I'm sure your dog is the most well behaved (everyone's dog is, of course) but we live in a society and we should put people first. The whole dog thing is out of control in the US. Don't mention France, they don't even come close to the concentration of dogs in the US. If you let people bring dogs everywhere, you reach state in the Silicon Valley episode (search for it) when you realize you're living in a kennel. For example: https://i.redd.it/y180b44x5oi31.jpg https://i.redd.it/y180b44x5oi31.jpg. The other problem IMO is that a large number of dog owners are irresponsible and thus ruining it for everyone. Stuff like not obeying leash laws, not picking up the poop, leaving their dogs alone in the apartment to bark all day long, etc.. Last year there was a case of someone who took their dog hiking in a national park nearby. No dogs allowed, of course but as you said, his dog was more well behaved than humans! The dog was unleashed and it was attacked by a mountain goat and thrown off a cliff. I guess the owner couldn't show the dog's `Emotional support animal certification` to the goat in time to save his life.
        labster 7y ago
        > - some people were mauled by dogs in the past and a strange dog can trigger their PTSD America, where dogs come with trigger warnings but guns don't (pun intended). Guns have special open carry laws to protect their display.
        TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
        I didn't realise some US states permit open carry. This Wikipedia article claims 26 states permit open carry, with another 19 having local restrictions or licensing requirements: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_State...
      - williamstein 7y ago
        In the US, many hardware stores and lumber yards actively encourage paying customers to bring their dog, even if it is not a service dog: http://www.sittingforacause.com/blog/dog-friendly/the-only-list-of-dog-friendly-retail-stores-in-the-united-states-youll-ever-need/ http://www.sittingforacause.com/blog/dog-friendly/the-only-l... In my experience the store employees at Lowe's/Home Depot (Seattle) are often very friendly to my dog when I bring her, and it seems to brighten these employee's day...
      - labster 7y ago
        Hardware stores don’t serve food, therefore there are no rules preventing dogs from entering. It’s not like a dog could damage the floors or merchandise either.
        AnimalMuppet 7y ago
        I suppose not. The worst they could do is go after the birds that had figured out the motion-activated doors, and where the bags of birdseed were.
        kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
        Menard's in the midwest has an entire grocery section. So does Rural King which encourages pets in the building.
    - gwbas1c 7y ago
      Service dogs are carefully trained animals that work for people. They aren't pets with a "wink wink nudge nudge" label. There's an obvious difference between a seeing eye dog, and someone stretching the truth so they can bring their pet into the mall and bypass "no pets" policies in apartment buildings. If you can't defend and enforce that difference, then protections for people who really need service animals will erode quickly.
      - p1necone 7y ago
        I suspect you're arguing against one of those straw man "moral panic" things that the media likes to harp on about rather than a real issue. This smacks of "PC gone mad" or "needles in Halloween candy" to me.
    - scarejunba 7y ago
      Maybe one day they'll have service robots and what they lack in furry warmness, they may make up in being able to converse in English.
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  - ojbyrne 7y ago
    The thread inspired by my off-the-cuff comment is impressive. I don’t advocate dogs should be allowed in supermarkets, restaurants or anywhere really that they can cause health issues, but a museum devoted to their species and their owners should maybe figure out a way to allow them.
  - efa 7y ago
    I'm with you. Service dogs are fine. They are highly trained and don't cause any ruckus (and they are pretty rare). But there is a rise in "emotional support" animals. These dogs are usually not trained and you're starting to see lots of them. I don't dispute people get benefit from these animals but they can be annoying to others.
- mmoche 7y ago
  Those in a position of relative power (e.g. airline employees) are not allowed to ask "what disease do you have that merits this animal?" but they are allowed to ask "what services does this animal provide?" There is a clear and obvious distinction between those questions, and the answer to the second question will clearly identify those who require exceedingly well-trained and expensive service animals. People who want to carry their dogs onboard without paying a fee are less likely to have an answer.
- p1necone 7y ago
  Only a small subset of people are going to lie about their dog being a service dog. Letting them in with the legitimate service dogs is probably a reasonable way to avoid hurting people with legitimate need.
  - magila 7y ago
    > Only a small subset of people are going to lie about their dog being a service dog. Clearly you don't live in California. Fake "service dog" harnesses are very common here. Many people claim their pets are emotional support animals as an excuse to take them everywhere.

stronglikedan 7y ago

All dogs are service dogs when you're not allowed to challenge it.

mttyng 7y ago
I’m sure the following statement will lead to my e-crucifixion, but: As much as I love dogs (RIP to my passed, canine buddy), I think the “take your dogs everywhere” thing is out of control now. Maybe that’s not that dangerous of a sentiment, but I shouldn’t have to dodge your dog in the supermarket. At what point do we as a society start pushing back on this?
- drngdds 7y ago
  Service dogs are a real thing that people with certain disabilities actually need. As such, I really hope the answer to your question is "never."
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    I recently went to the hardware store, and there were five separate people with dogs. I'm going to guess that the number that were actual service dogs was either zero or one, and my money is on zero. Sure, people should be able to take a service dog everywhere. It does not follow that people should be able to take any dog everywhere.
    - trhway 7y ago
      why can't i take my dog anywhere? He is more well behaved and cleaner then many people and children. Typically alleged sanitary/health issues wrt. dogs presence are obviously moot once you take a look say at France where dogs are welcome in restaurants for example and nobody is dying from cholera/etc..
      - decebalus1 7y ago
        A couple of reasons: - some people are allergic - some people were mauled by dogs in the past and a strange dog can trigger their PTSD - some dogs are unpredictable and may shit/piss on the floor if they get scared - some dogs bite - some small kids/toddlers don't (and shouldn't) know how to handle strange dogs and may do something (like pull the dog's ears or something) to set the dog off - some dogs bark for no reason and become a nuisance Your freedom ends when other people's freedom starts. I'm sure your dog is the most well behaved (everyone's dog is, of course) but we live in a society and we should put people first. The whole dog thing is out of control in the US. Don't mention France, they don't even come close to the concentration of dogs in the US. If you let people bring dogs everywhere, you reach state in the Silicon Valley episode (search for it) when you realize you're living in a kennel. For example: https://i.redd.it/y180b44x5oi31.jpg https://i.redd.it/y180b44x5oi31.jpg. The other problem IMO is that a large number of dog owners are irresponsible and thus ruining it for everyone. Stuff like not obeying leash laws, not picking up the poop, leaving their dogs alone in the apartment to bark all day long, etc.. Last year there was a case of someone who took their dog hiking in a national park nearby. No dogs allowed, of course but as you said, his dog was more well behaved than humans! The dog was unleashed and it was attacked by a mountain goat and thrown off a cliff. I guess the owner couldn't show the dog's `Emotional support animal certification` to the goat in time to save his life.
        labster 7y ago
        > - some people were mauled by dogs in the past and a strange dog can trigger their PTSD America, where dogs come with trigger warnings but guns don't (pun intended). Guns have special open carry laws to protect their display.
        TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
        I didn't realise some US states permit open carry. This Wikipedia article claims 26 states permit open carry, with another 19 having local restrictions or licensing requirements: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_State...
    - williamstein 7y ago
      In the US, many hardware stores and lumber yards actively encourage paying customers to bring their dog, even if it is not a service dog: http://www.sittingforacause.com/blog/dog-friendly/the-only-list-of-dog-friendly-retail-stores-in-the-united-states-youll-ever-need/ http://www.sittingforacause.com/blog/dog-friendly/the-only-l... In my experience the store employees at Lowe's/Home Depot (Seattle) are often very friendly to my dog when I bring her, and it seems to brighten these employee's day...
    - labster 7y ago
      Hardware stores don’t serve food, therefore there are no rules preventing dogs from entering. It’s not like a dog could damage the floors or merchandise either.
      - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
        I suppose not. The worst they could do is go after the birds that had figured out the motion-activated doors, and where the bags of birdseed were.
      - kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
        Menard's in the midwest has an entire grocery section. So does Rural King which encourages pets in the building.
  - gwbas1c 7y ago
    Service dogs are carefully trained animals that work for people. They aren't pets with a "wink wink nudge nudge" label. There's an obvious difference between a seeing eye dog, and someone stretching the truth so they can bring their pet into the mall and bypass "no pets" policies in apartment buildings. If you can't defend and enforce that difference, then protections for people who really need service animals will erode quickly.
    - p1necone 7y ago
      I suspect you're arguing against one of those straw man "moral panic" things that the media likes to harp on about rather than a real issue. This smacks of "PC gone mad" or "needles in Halloween candy" to me.
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    Maybe one day they'll have service robots and what they lack in furry warmness, they may make up in being able to converse in English.
- deleted 7y ago
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- ojbyrne 7y ago
  The thread inspired by my off-the-cuff comment is impressive. I don’t advocate dogs should be allowed in supermarkets, restaurants or anywhere really that they can cause health issues, but a museum devoted to their species and their owners should maybe figure out a way to allow them.
- efa 7y ago
  I'm with you. Service dogs are fine. They are highly trained and don't cause any ruckus (and they are pretty rare). But there is a rise in "emotional support" animals. These dogs are usually not trained and you're starting to see lots of them. I don't dispute people get benefit from these animals but they can be annoying to others.
mmoche 7y ago
Those in a position of relative power (e.g. airline employees) are not allowed to ask "what disease do you have that merits this animal?" but they are allowed to ask "what services does this animal provide?" There is a clear and obvious distinction between those questions, and the answer to the second question will clearly identify those who require exceedingly well-trained and expensive service animals. People who want to carry their dogs onboard without paying a fee are less likely to have an answer.
p1necone 7y ago
Only a small subset of people are going to lie about their dog being a service dog. Letting them in with the legitimate service dogs is probably a reasonable way to avoid hurting people with legitimate need.
- magila 7y ago
  > Only a small subset of people are going to lie about their dog being a service dog. Clearly you don't live in California. Fake "service dog" harnesses are very common here. Many people claim their pets are emotional support animals as an excuse to take them everywhere.