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EULAs and those kinds of agreements have their own legal problems with how they can be enforced, so its best not to complicate things here ! >I should mention

EULAs and those kinds of agreements have their own legal problems with how they can be enforced, so its best not to complicate things here ! >I should mention this looks like an extremely vague distinction, and it's not even mutually exclusive. I don't agree with your opinion that its vague. > Amazon provides a service of its own volition, and he took advantage of that service. If the action that Amazon took could be proven to be "just as easily" done by the end user, then perhaps Amazons acting on behalf of the end user could be considered equivalent to the end user themselves performing that action. For e.g. If these is a fair use exemption for making a copy of a CD for a personal backup, then if I told my neighbors kid to do it for me, I think it could be considered equivalent as me doing it myself. Copying a CD is at present, ubiquitous enough, that assisting someone is probably on safe legal ground.

deogeo 7y ago
> EULAs and those kinds of agreements I'm not talking about any EULAs - I'm trying to say that clicking the "speech-to-text" button is no different than opening a file in notepad, changing a few lines, then clicking save - you're instructing a program to do something. Would you say that notepad.exe/Microsoft altered the file "of it's own volition"?
- la_barba 7y ago
  I already addressed this in the previous comment. You might have missed it. >> Amazon provides a service of its own volition, and he took advantage of that service. >If the action that Amazon took could be proven to be "just as easily" done by the end user, then perhaps Amazons acting on behalf of the end user could be considered equivalent to the end user themselves performing that action. >For e.g. If these is a fair use exemption for making a copy of a CD for a personal backup, then if I told my neighbors kid to do it for me, I think it could be considered equivalent as me doing it myself. Copying a CD is at present, ubiquitous enough, that assisting someone is probably on safe legal ground.

deogeo 7y ago

> EULAs and those kinds of agreements I'm not talking about any EULAs - I'm trying to say that clicking the "speech-to-text" button is no different than opening a file in notepad, changing a few lines, then clicking save - you're instructing a program to do something. Would you say that notepad.exe/Microsoft altered the file "of it's own volition"?

la_barba 7y ago
I already addressed this in the previous comment. You might have missed it. >> Amazon provides a service of its own volition, and he took advantage of that service. >If the action that Amazon took could be proven to be "just as easily" done by the end user, then perhaps Amazons acting on behalf of the end user could be considered equivalent to the end user themselves performing that action. >For e.g. If these is a fair use exemption for making a copy of a CD for a personal backup, then if I told my neighbors kid to do it for me, I think it could be considered equivalent as me doing it myself. Copying a CD is at present, ubiquitous enough, that assisting someone is probably on safe legal ground.