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That's not a website aimed at consumers though. All the questions they're asking should be hidden in "Other Platforms" with one giant link saying "Latest Releas

That's not a website aimed at consumers though. All the questions they're asking should be hidden in "Other Platforms" with one giant link saying "Latest Release." I don't care about the politics or niche between HotSpot Vs. OpenJ9, and reading the descriptions it sounds like 99% of people who don't know better want HotSpot and JDK 12, so why even ask these questions? That website is a perfect showcase of why OpenJDK isn't popular. Oracle's consumer experienced is ten times better: https://www.java.com/en/ https://www.java.com/en/

dragonwriter 7y ago
> That's not a website aimed at consumers though. Java isn't aimed at consumers, either.
- Someone1234 7y ago
  So developers are writing Java Runtime software that nobody is running at all?
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    There's a reason B2B is distinguished from B2C.
  - javagram 7y ago
    Oracle recommends developers pack a JRE with their individual applications now. No need for users to install a JRE or even know they’re using a java application.
    - Someone1234 7y ago
      Wouldn't users still need a license to run Oracle's JRE?
      - javagram 7y ago
        They don’t need to use oracle JRE. Oracle has fully open-sourced the JRE under GPL (unlike Sun). If an app developer wants to use a version of the JDK other than that freely supplied by Oracle at https://openjdk.java.net/ https://openjdk.java.net/ , they can distribute AdoptOpenJDK, Apache Corretto, or any of the many other openjdk distributions.
taftster 7y ago
There is admittedly some baked-in expectation that you understand or have background for the nuances of Java 8, 11, 12 or Hotspot, OpenJ9. The website currently expects you to understand these differences. Good feedback, noted. But honestly, the website itself is not hard to understand. It gives you a choice of three JDK versions (8, 11, 12) which are all supported versions. And it gives you two choices for JVM (Hotspot, OpenJ9). And of course, you need to pick your platform. If you're coming brand new to the Java world, this is most definitely a cumbersome landing page. But for most people already in the Java world, these questions are quite relevant and appropriate. And the default choice (Java 8 + Hotspot) are quite sensible for most newcomers. Oracle's java.com website doesn't really give you the developer experience needed for Java. That's more focused on delivering the end-user JRE, not the developer JDK.

dragonwriter 7y ago

> That's not a website aimed at consumers though. Java isn't aimed at consumers, either.

Someone1234 7y ago
So developers are writing Java Runtime software that nobody is running at all?
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  There's a reason B2B is distinguished from B2C.
- javagram 7y ago
  Oracle recommends developers pack a JRE with their individual applications now. No need for users to install a JRE or even know they’re using a java application.
  - Someone1234 7y ago
    Wouldn't users still need a license to run Oracle's JRE?
    - javagram 7y ago
      They don’t need to use oracle JRE. Oracle has fully open-sourced the JRE under GPL (unlike Sun). If an app developer wants to use a version of the JDK other than that freely supplied by Oracle at https://openjdk.java.net/ https://openjdk.java.net/ , they can distribute AdoptOpenJDK, Apache Corretto, or any of the many other openjdk distributions.

taftster 7y ago

There is admittedly some baked-in expectation that you understand or have background for the nuances of Java 8, 11, 12 or Hotspot, OpenJ9. The website currently expects you to understand these differences. Good feedback, noted. But honestly, the website itself is not hard to understand. It gives you a choice of three JDK versions (8, 11, 12) which are all supported versions. And it gives you two choices for JVM (Hotspot, OpenJ9). And of course, you need to pick your platform. If you're coming brand new to the Java world, this is most definitely a cumbersome landing page. But for most people already in the Java world, these questions are quite relevant and appropriate. And the default choice (Java 8 + Hotspot) are quite sensible for most newcomers. Oracle's java.com website doesn't really give you the developer experience needed for Java. That's more focused on delivering the end-user JRE, not the developer JDK.