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The truly tragic thing is, if we just had better means of communicating with each other at a human level, we wouldn't need all this manipulation. Alas, the CIA

The truly tragic thing is, if we just had better means of communicating with each other at a human level, we wouldn't need all this manipulation. Alas, the CIA interferes in things rather deliberately to undermine and usurp, where a concerted effort may allow a bigger-picture consensus to form. I firmly believe that if we spent 25% of what the USA spends on its military every year instead on cultural interchange, education and language programs, nobody would be needing to invade anyone. It is the back-room corruption - i.e. ALL SECRECY and the means by which it is maintained - which is at the core of it. Shut the CIA, and build more schools.

tenebrisalietum 7y ago
Spies are needed because humans engage in war. You can't eliminate war without eliminating or subjugating humankind's A) competitive nature and B) very basic, primitive instinct to engage in tribalism and defend ones own tribe against others. I like what Sun Tzu says about it. "Sun Tzu said: Raising a host of a hundred thousand men and marching them great distances entails heavy loss on the people and a drain on the resources of the State. The daily expenditure will amount to a thousand ounces of silver. There will be commotion at home and abroad, and men will drop down exhausted on the highways. As many as seven hundred thousand families will be impeded in their labor. Hostile armies may face each other for years, striving for the victory which is decided in a single day. This being so, to remain in ignorance of the enemy's condition simply because one grudges the outlay of a hundred ounces of silver in honors and emoluments, is the height of inhumanity. One who acts thus is no leader of men, no present help to his sovereign, no master of victory. Thus, what enables the wise sovereign and the good general to strike and conquer, and achieve things beyond the reach of ordinary men, is foreknowledge. Now this foreknowledge cannot be elicited from spirits; it cannot be obtained inductively from experience, nor by any deductive calculation. Knowledge of the enemy's dispositions can only be obtained from other men. Hence the use of spies..."
- somesortofsystm 7y ago
  >Spies are needed because humans engage in war. Wars happen, because there are classes of people who declare themselves necessary to other, lesser classes, and they are allowed to establish secret control over resources of the classes in ways 'the others' get prosecuted for, or worse .. have bombs dropped directly on them, should the actions be reciprocal. Like, the CIA tortures. It assassinates. It causes rife and turmoil in its target of focus. It regularly lies to the American people about what it is doing - it is "supposed" to. And yet, it is a major cause of upset and turmoil in the world. Seriously! So, maybe I can listen to your story about why 'war happens, game over man', and I can just get your attention long enough to explain this: we, The People, do not need spooks. Only War-mongers do.

tenebrisalietum 7y ago

Spies are needed because humans engage in war. You can't eliminate war without eliminating or subjugating humankind's A) competitive nature and B) very basic, primitive instinct to engage in tribalism and defend ones own tribe against others. I like what Sun Tzu says about it. "Sun Tzu said: Raising a host of a hundred thousand men and marching them great distances entails heavy loss on the people and a drain on the resources of the State. The daily expenditure will amount to a thousand ounces of silver. There will be commotion at home and abroad, and men will drop down exhausted on the highways. As many as seven hundred thousand families will be impeded in their labor. Hostile armies may face each other for years, striving for the victory which is decided in a single day. This being so, to remain in ignorance of the enemy's condition simply because one grudges the outlay of a hundred ounces of silver in honors and emoluments, is the height of inhumanity. One who acts thus is no leader of men, no present help to his sovereign, no master of victory. Thus, what enables the wise sovereign and the good general to strike and conquer, and achieve things beyond the reach of ordinary men, is foreknowledge. Now this foreknowledge cannot be elicited from spirits; it cannot be obtained inductively from experience, nor by any deductive calculation. Knowledge of the enemy's dispositions can only be obtained from other men. Hence the use of spies..."

somesortofsystm 7y ago
>Spies are needed because humans engage in war. Wars happen, because there are classes of people who declare themselves necessary to other, lesser classes, and they are allowed to establish secret control over resources of the classes in ways 'the others' get prosecuted for, or worse .. have bombs dropped directly on them, should the actions be reciprocal. Like, the CIA tortures. It assassinates. It causes rife and turmoil in its target of focus. It regularly lies to the American people about what it is doing - it is "supposed" to. And yet, it is a major cause of upset and turmoil in the world. Seriously! So, maybe I can listen to your story about why 'war happens, game over man', and I can just get your attention long enough to explain this: we, The People, do not need spooks. Only War-mongers do.