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So are they trying to kill the platform?

meddlepal 7y ago
No.
mumblemumble 7y ago
No, they're trying to make money off of it. I assume they're looking to figure out how to make a lot of money off of it, to make up for shrinking enterprise software revenues. It may be that their efforts to increase profits right now also inhibit Java's pre-eminence in the open source community over the long run. I doubt that's a major concern for them. Oracle is a Fortune 500 company, not a nonprofit foundation.
- oblio 7y ago
  It's still sad, though. Java got where it is thanks to Open Source. Java's push onto the web failed (applets), Java's push onto desktops failed (AWT/Swing), Java's push onto mobiles failed (Java ME; Android doesn't count, Google did it despite/against Sun/Oracle). The only truly successful Java domain is Java backends, which was rescued from Java EE hell by Apache, basically.
  - rubinelli 7y ago
    .Net Core, on the other hand, looks better and better. It's expected to hit 3.0 next month. If I were making a stack decision today, barring some very specific library/integration requirements, I'd rather pick it or Go over Java.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      How is that Xamarin.Form GUI designer doing on .NET Core for Linux? Focusing on .NET nowadays, but there are definitely a few areas where .NET Core fails short of Java offerings.
  - mumblemumble 7y ago
    I'm honestly not that sad. In the enterprise, open source looks a fair bit like a Java monoculture, and it's one that's become way too heavily influenced by the interests of a very small number of corporations. It's another story that starts off looking like a big success for open source, and ends by looking like a big success for co-opting open source. I'd be pretty happy to see Java fall down a peg or two, so that we can move back toward being a bit more bazaar and less cathedral.
  - andrewbinstock 7y ago
    >The only truly successful Java domain is Java backends Java Card runs on 1+ billion devices.
    - oblio 7y ago
      I'll be cynical and say: Yeah, and what do I care? As a developer I care about employment. How many people do you know writing Java Card code? How many does the world even need? I'm willing to bet that there's at least 100 regular Java devs for 1 Java Card dev.

No.

No, they're trying to make money off of it. I assume they're looking to figure out how to make a lot of money off of it, to make up for shrinking enterprise software revenues. It may be that their efforts to increase profits right now also inhibit Java's pre-eminence in the open source community over the long run. I doubt that's a major concern for them. Oracle is a Fortune 500 company, not a nonprofit foundation.

oblio 7y ago
It's still sad, though. Java got where it is thanks to Open Source. Java's push onto the web failed (applets), Java's push onto desktops failed (AWT/Swing), Java's push onto mobiles failed (Java ME; Android doesn't count, Google did it despite/against Sun/Oracle). The only truly successful Java domain is Java backends, which was rescued from Java EE hell by Apache, basically.
- rubinelli 7y ago
  .Net Core, on the other hand, looks better and better. It's expected to hit 3.0 next month. If I were making a stack decision today, barring some very specific library/integration requirements, I'd rather pick it or Go over Java.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    How is that Xamarin.Form GUI designer doing on .NET Core for Linux? Focusing on .NET nowadays, but there are definitely a few areas where .NET Core fails short of Java offerings.
- mumblemumble 7y ago
  I'm honestly not that sad. In the enterprise, open source looks a fair bit like a Java monoculture, and it's one that's become way too heavily influenced by the interests of a very small number of corporations. It's another story that starts off looking like a big success for open source, and ends by looking like a big success for co-opting open source. I'd be pretty happy to see Java fall down a peg or two, so that we can move back toward being a bit more bazaar and less cathedral.
- andrewbinstock 7y ago
  >The only truly successful Java domain is Java backends Java Card runs on 1+ billion devices.
  - oblio 7y ago
    I'll be cynical and say: Yeah, and what do I care? As a developer I care about employment. How many people do you know writing Java Card code? How many does the world even need? I'm willing to bet that there's at least 100 regular Java devs for 1 Java Card dev.