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The response to that is more education and more curiosity. Pronouncing <cz> as /tʃ/ is no more obvious than the reading of <č> except in the word Czech because

The response to that is more education and more curiosity. Pronouncing <cz> as /tʃ/ is no more obvious than the reading of <č> except in the word Czech because of how common it is. But the advantage of using the original graphy is (1) it's more respectful to the original, (2) it can motivate people to search about it and learn stuffs because it is unusual. As an aside, I would love that more scientific papers use original names in their original scripts in the references section in addition to transcription, the way Knuth does it in tAoCP.

kome 7y ago
I agree, changing the orthography because pronunciation would be a disaster, especially when you don't have a consistent spelling system like in English.
NotOscarWilde 7y ago
> As an aside, I would love that more scientific papers use original names in their original scripts in the references section in addition to transcription, the way Knuth does it in tAoCP. Being a scientist, I believe most of my colleagues prefer to cite names exactly as the authors typeset them -- therefore, if there is a work by Karel Čapek, I would cite him as [Čapek, 1921] but I would not re-type a name like Ken-ichi Kawarabayashi back into the "original" spelling if the author himself writes it this way in a paper (e.g. [1]). And on top of that, sometimes (with say Japanese-Americans) you could re-type a name only to end up with an incorrect result! [1]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1906.05998.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1906.05998.pdf
- tasogare 7y ago
  > to cite names exactly as the authors typeset them This is not incompatible with the transcription+native (if any) approach: these researchers will most likely have papers or website with their name in their native language, while descendants of immigrants don’t. Following your example, Kawarabayashi’s original name can be found in few seconds of googling. It is 河原林健一. (https://www.jst.go.jp/pr/info/info915/shiryo2.html https://www.jst.go.jp/pr/info/info915/shiryo2.html)
- svat 7y ago
  BTW the person you're replying to is roughly but not quite correct: TAOCP doesn't have a separate references section, and when citing papers (inline in the text) Knuth does cite names as the authors typeset them, except for abbreviating to initials of course. It's only in the index of the books that he gives the full name of each mentioned person, including middle names and transcription in additional scripts.

kome 7y ago

I agree, changing the orthography because pronunciation would be a disaster, especially when you don't have a consistent spelling system like in English.

NotOscarWilde 7y ago

> As an aside, I would love that more scientific papers use original names in their original scripts in the references section in addition to transcription, the way Knuth does it in tAoCP. Being a scientist, I believe most of my colleagues prefer to cite names exactly as the authors typeset them -- therefore, if there is a work by Karel Čapek, I would cite him as [Čapek, 1921] but I would not re-type a name like Ken-ichi Kawarabayashi back into the "original" spelling if the author himself writes it this way in a paper (e.g. [1]). And on top of that, sometimes (with say Japanese-Americans) you could re-type a name only to end up with an incorrect result! [1]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1906.05998.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1906.05998.pdf

tasogare 7y ago
> to cite names exactly as the authors typeset them This is not incompatible with the transcription+native (if any) approach: these researchers will most likely have papers or website with their name in their native language, while descendants of immigrants don’t. Following your example, Kawarabayashi’s original name can be found in few seconds of googling. It is 河原林健一. (https://www.jst.go.jp/pr/info/info915/shiryo2.html https://www.jst.go.jp/pr/info/info915/shiryo2.html)
svat 7y ago
BTW the person you're replying to is roughly but not quite correct: TAOCP doesn't have a separate references section, and when citing papers (inline in the text) Knuth does cite names as the authors typeset them, except for abbreviating to initials of course. It's only in the index of the books that he gives the full name of each mentioned person, including middle names and transcription in additional scripts.