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Electric stoves in Europe (well, the UK, France and Belgium at least) run on standard two-phase 240V. Few houses have tri-phase power installed, you have to pay
by seszett 7y ago
Electric stoves in Europe (well, the UK, France and Belgium at least) run on standard two-phase 240V. Few houses have tri-phase power installed, you have to pay a premium for that, and get a tri-phase meter installed.
- kuschku 7y agoPretty much every electric stove in Germany runs on tri-phase 380V. The only one I’ve ever seen that doesn’t was in a student dorm.
- panpanna 7y agoIn EU most new ovens are 240V, partially thanks to the efficiency improvements of hot air ovens. Still, they used to be 3-phase not long ago so OP is also correct.
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- kuschku 7y agoA typical german stove uses 11kW for the stove + oven combination. Pretty much every stove/oven combination uses 380V 30A for power nowadays. e.g. look at pretty much any Miele stove/oven combination.
- panpanna 7y agoAre you sure? 11kW is a huge number. Just checked one random German oven (AEG) that specifies typical usage around 1kw and max at 4.8kW. Electrolux which is known for energy efficiency claims max 3kW for a similar oven. Maybe stove is responsible for the rest?
- benjymo 7y agoFor my relatively cheap Ikea stove, each cooking plate of my induction stove uses around 1.5 to 2 kW with "Booster" to 2.5 and 3.5 kW. It's connected to three phases and ground through three separate fuses. The oven is separate and connected with a standard plug though.
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- ants_a 7y agoStandard power for 4 "burner" stove is 7.2 kW, and can be hooked up on 2 separate phases or on one with a 32A breaker.
- close04 7y agoGermany is one of the few countries that do this though probably because it's common to have electric heating for the house. In such cases you can't get too far on 240V (which used to be 220V not long ago). If you go to the south or the east the chances of having 380V in anything but new buildings are low.
- seszett 7y agoFrance and Belgium also have electric heating in most houses, and electric heating always runs on 240V. It really works just fine.
- ptaipale 7y agoDirect electric heating typically runs on 240 V, but at least in Northern Europe (Finland, Sweden) electric heating is often a central heating via hot water circulation. Here it used to be common that there's a rather large water tank (1 cubic meter or even more) that is heated up during night time when electricity was cheaper, and then gives out the warmth during day. This is no longer a feasible use case because night time usage of electricity has gone up and night electricity is not cheaper. Heat pumps (operating with drilled wells going 100 m deep) have become more common. The pumps take 400V 3-phase.
- Yaggo 7y agoAir-to-air heat pumps are really common. No new houses are built relying on direct (resistive) heating, at least they have water circulation under floor so you can later upgrade to alternative heat sources.
- ptaipale 7y agoExactly. Circulation under floor is good for heat pumps with drilled wells as heat source; there the water is not that hot (often around 40 degrees C after pump.)
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- tannhaeuser 7y agoAlso, standard flow heaters for water are tri-phase.
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- hectormalot 7y agoFor the Dutch perspective. Dutch grid operators consider 3X25A the default these days, but many older houses are indeed still only 1 phase (eg 1x35A). There are mainly 2 categories for stoves, but I don’t think a 2 phase option exists: (source: just bought one) 1. ~7.4kW with a double group (4 pins) connection. That gives you 2x16A, but is still only one phase, just split over 2 fuses. 2. 10kW+ with a 3 phase connection (also 4 pins), in this case it actually is using 3 phases. Dutch prices are regulated. The annual fee for a 3x25A connection is the same as for 1x40A. The next step at my grid operator (3x35A) is much more expensive.
- consp 7y agoSome older houses (< 1960, mostly early 20th century) have had 2 phase 127v systems in place in the Netherlands (either with or without neutral). They have gradually been replaced by 240v. Maybe this is the reason people still talk about 2 phase systems.
- jacobush 7y agoSo, like a mini Japan? What do people do when buying appliances? Are the plugs different? Do you use 127V or 254V for appliances and light bulbs?
- hectormalot 7y agoI think it’s mostly been phased out by now, the few places (historic city centers) that have it will bridge the 2 phases to get a single phase of 220V. I think 127V equipment hasn’t been sold in like 20+ years
- jacobush 7y agoPhased out haha! :-D
- stunt 7y ago3-phase is better future proof system. Electric stoves, dryers, oven, and soon EV chargers are everywhere.
- zajio1am 7y agoHot-plate-only electric stoves are two-phase. Electric stoves with integrated oven are usually three-phase.
- dagw 7y agoNot modern stoves. Buy anything from the past few years and it's almost certainly just comes with a 240V plug
- nemetroid 7y agoAlso country-dependent. In Sweden, most modern stoves would be 240V, but with the possibility to connect two (or even three) phases. I imagine that the same stove models are sold all over Europe, but that in countries where multiple phases are uncommon, the stove would come with a 240V plug already connected (i.e. set up to use a single phase).
- zajio1am 7y agoEven if the stove is powered by single phase [1], it may not be used with a 240V plug, as these are rated for 16 A. And 3.7 kW limit is enough ony for small portable 2-plate stoves. [1] which is possible even for full 11 kW stove, if you have 40A single phase power.
- brnt 7y agoIs there an oven included in that power consumption for a stove? I can set my plates by wattages, and I rarely need more than 1kW for one plate, and never exceed 3.7 for all 4.
- fyfy18 7y agoBosch (and I assume Siemens and Neff which are the same company) induction hobs are limited electronically. There is a setting that lets you configure the max power it can draw from 1000W - maximum (7400W for this model): https://media3.bosch-home.com/Documents/bosch.html?matNumber=9001063697&lang=en https://media3.bosch-home.com/Documents/bosch.html?matNumber... see "Basic Settings"
- the_mitsuhiko 7y agoMaybe it's my central European perspective that clouds this but the standard setup in Germany/Austria/Switzerland and Northern Italy is three phase power to your house.
- krzyk 7y agoYes, same in Poland, 3 phases is standard (and houses from 70-ties also have 3 phases, not sure if they needed to pay extra for that or not). And we don't do electric heating.
- mamon 7y agoWe do not do electric heating because that would be riddiculously expensive. Most single-family homes still use coal, some newer ones use natural gas.
- blattimwind 7y agoFor me, as a homeshop owner, it's really nice, because I can run pretty much any workshop/industry-grade equipment on standard CEE outlets. And for my own contraptions I have an endless supply of efficient, low cost, low vibration/noise, three phase motors. Meanwhile American homeshops cannot use high grade equipment or have to use VFDs on each machine or rotary converters to create three phases.
- jaclaz 7y agoTo be picky, it is standard single phase 240V. Two conductors, phase and neutral (+ ground where needed).