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[ed. I stand corrected. Article says they have an Obama-administration official lined up.] Odds are the Cherokee would appoint a de facto Republican. They're l

by Digory 7y ago

[ed. I stand corrected. Article says they have an Obama-administration official lined up.] Odds are the Cherokee would appoint a de facto Republican. They're largely conservative and entrepreneurial Oklahomans. The Cherokee Nation runs a bunch of gambling, energy, and defense contracting businesses. It's beyond amusing to me that Elizabeth Warren tried to claim in to the Cherokee; that tribe had almost no inclination to overlook her stretching.

smacktoward 7y ago
> Kimberly Teehee has been nominated to serve as the Cherokee delegate. She is currently the tribe's vice president of government relations, and previously worked as a senior policy advisor on Native American affairs for three years in President Barack Obama's administration. For about 12 years before that, Teehee was a senior advisor to Dale Kildee, then a Democratic congressman from Michigan.
habeebtc 7y ago
I wouldn't be surprised that they largely appoint Republicans. But the current Republican party is unlikely to give any extra votes to people of color, because it's a symbolic victory for Progressivism. It's part of why many folks on the right wing have a visceral dislike of President Obama. (You can guess the other 2 big reasons) So, if true that the Cherokee would likely appoint Republican candidates, and in general vote Republican, it's a sure thing they won't be allowed to get representation. For various reasons, nobody in power is inclined to derive a "win" from it. Which is unfortunate, because it's the least we can do. It's worth pointing out that Native Americans pay federal income taxes, and Taxation without Representation has, let's say, a bit of a History in this country.
cm2012 7y ago
The vast majority of Native Americans vote Democratic, like most other minority groups: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.wpsanet.org/papers/docs/Why%2520Do%2520American%2520Indians%2520Vote%2520Democratic%2520(Jeonghun%2520Min).pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi4yuWF3Z_kAhXqc98KHW1mC-EQFjAGegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1pB6dAP41QxMNp4YNCrO7p&cshid=1566794724876 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://...
- GrayTextIsTruth 7y ago
  whites in the California central valley are minorities and vote mostly republican.
- Digory 7y ago
  That study specifically says Native Americans aren't as loyal to Democrats as other minority groups. In the survey at the heart of the paper, "a majority of American Indians voted Republican in the presidential and U.S. House elections." American Indians in Oklahoma are more likely to identify as Democrat than their white counterparts, but a majority still vote Republican. They're social conservatives, but economic interventionists. Native Americans have had long experience with "help" from Washington, especially on social integration. They understand it isn't all roses.
  - cm2012 7y ago
    I stand corrected. Would delete my comment if I could
  - Digory 7y ago
    (note for posterity: the survey was just of Eastern Oklahoma voters, not nationwide. I don't know if the same held true outside Oklahoma.)
BurningFrog 7y ago
A lot of minority people have quite conservative values, but vote Democratic because they perceive Republicans as the party that hates them because of their race. If the GOP could get a half believable message out there that they're actually, really and honestly, a conservative patriotic free market party for all races and religions, I think they could completely dominate US elections for decades. But, much like the Democrats, they just can't help being really bad at seeming decent and competent.
- paggle 7y ago
  You’re not counting the votes they would lose if they tacked away from explicit racial animus. It’s more than a few.
- GrayTextIsTruth 7y ago
  >patriotic free market party for all races and religions If it’s for everybody then it’s for nobody. This is called civic nationalism and it’s a globalist wet dream. The only other groups I respect are ones advocating for their own people like I’m doing.
  - BurningFrog 7y ago
    > If it’s for everybody then it’s for nobody. It would only be for conservative, patriotic, free market supporters. That's far from everybody and far from not standing for anything.
    - GrayTextIsTruth 7y ago
      When you care more about some stupid system than your own people then you don’t stand for anything. Usury and the free market is enslaving everybody. And you stand for that system and call it patriotic? Our country has to borrow its own money (with interest) from the FED. It’s pathetic. Things have changed so much in the last half few decades that a true conservative doesn’t want to conserve anything and is more of a revolutionary.
  - Zigurd 7y ago

by Digory 7y ago

smacktoward 7y ago

> Kimberly Teehee has been nominated to serve as the Cherokee delegate. She is currently the tribe's vice president of government relations, and previously worked as a senior policy advisor on Native American affairs for three years in President Barack Obama's administration. For about 12 years before that, Teehee was a senior advisor to Dale Kildee, then a Democratic congressman from Michigan.

habeebtc 7y ago

I wouldn't be surprised that they largely appoint Republicans. But the current Republican party is unlikely to give any extra votes to people of color, because it's a symbolic victory for Progressivism. It's part of why many folks on the right wing have a visceral dislike of President Obama. (You can guess the other 2 big reasons) So, if true that the Cherokee would likely appoint Republican candidates, and in general vote Republican, it's a sure thing they won't be allowed to get representation. For various reasons, nobody in power is inclined to derive a "win" from it. Which is unfortunate, because it's the least we can do. It's worth pointing out that Native Americans pay federal income taxes, and Taxation without Representation has, let's say, a bit of a History in this country.

cm2012 7y ago

The vast majority of Native Americans vote Democratic, like most other minority groups: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.wpsanet.org/papers/docs/Why%2520Do%2520American%2520Indians%2520Vote%2520Democratic%2520(Jeonghun%2520Min).pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi4yuWF3Z_kAhXqc98KHW1mC-EQFjAGegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1pB6dAP41QxMNp4YNCrO7p&cshid=1566794724876 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://...

GrayTextIsTruth 7y ago
whites in the California central valley are minorities and vote mostly republican.
Digory 7y ago
That study specifically says Native Americans aren't as loyal to Democrats as other minority groups. In the survey at the heart of the paper, "a majority of American Indians voted Republican in the presidential and U.S. House elections." American Indians in Oklahoma are more likely to identify as Democrat than their white counterparts, but a majority still vote Republican. They're social conservatives, but economic interventionists. Native Americans have had long experience with "help" from Washington, especially on social integration. They understand it isn't all roses.
- cm2012 7y ago
  I stand corrected. Would delete my comment if I could
- Digory 7y ago
  (note for posterity: the survey was just of Eastern Oklahoma voters, not nationwide. I don't know if the same held true outside Oklahoma.)

BurningFrog 7y ago

A lot of minority people have quite conservative values, but vote Democratic because they perceive Republicans as the party that hates them because of their race. If the GOP could get a half believable message out there that they're actually, really and honestly, a conservative patriotic free market party for all races and religions, I think they could completely dominate US elections for decades. But, much like the Democrats, they just can't help being really bad at seeming decent and competent.

paggle 7y ago
You’re not counting the votes they would lose if they tacked away from explicit racial animus. It’s more than a few.
GrayTextIsTruth 7y ago
>patriotic free market party for all races and religions If it’s for everybody then it’s for nobody. This is called civic nationalism and it’s a globalist wet dream. The only other groups I respect are ones advocating for their own people like I’m doing.
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  > If it’s for everybody then it’s for nobody. It would only be for conservative, patriotic, free market supporters. That's far from everybody and far from not standing for anything.
  - GrayTextIsTruth 7y ago
    When you care more about some stupid system than your own people then you don’t stand for anything. Usury and the free market is enslaving everybody. And you stand for that system and call it patriotic? Our country has to borrow its own money (with interest) from the FED. It’s pathetic. Things have changed so much in the last half few decades that a true conservative doesn’t want to conserve anything and is more of a revolutionary.
- Zigurd 7y ago