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And for laptops everyone is stuck with Intel 14++ until AMD delivers 7nm for mobile (Intel 10nm offerings look very underwhelming). What a great time to be in

And for laptops everyone is stuck with Intel 14++ until AMD delivers 7nm for mobile (Intel 10nm offerings look very underwhelming). What a great time to be in the market for a new machine, lots of hot air (literally) and throttling with the 6/8 core Intel i9s.

marmaduke 7y ago
Dell ships à 14" Ryzen office laptop for the last year at least. I'm not saying it's the sexiest thing out there, but it does exist.
- pkulak 7y ago
  I think OP is talking nm, not inches. ;)
  - jotm 7y ago
    14 inches = 355 600 000 nanometers, heh
  - marmaduke 7y ago
    My point was that we aren't stuck with with Intel for laptops, because Ryzen laptops are being shipped for a while now.
mtgx 7y ago
It's a wasted opportunity for AMD not to try and beat Intel in laptops, and instead leaving mobile APUs for the end of a generation's lifecycle.
schanivo 7y ago
Well Lenovo is already selling the AMD based laptop for business users and they are quite a thing
- virtualwhys 7y ago
  Sure, but not yet on 7nm. Maybe sometime during 2020 that will happen, but there's no public roadmap that I know of that states AMD 7nm mobile processors will be available in X quarter of Y year.
zaarn 7y ago
10nm has to compete with 3 generations worth of improvement on 14nm. Intel dug their own grave there, they gambled on 10nm, they lost, then they gambled on 10nm being good enough to beat improved 14nm processes, and lost again.
- virtualwhys 7y ago
  If they don't jump straight to 7nm then next iteration of 10nm may be more impressive. At 6-8 cores a 10nm with low base clock and decent boost speeds would probably be a decent option provided it doesn't throttle in the thin/light laptops of today. Consumer is caught between worlds, the old power hungry one, and the new efficient one where long battery life and cool/quiet mobile systems are the norm (at least that's the hope).
  - zaarn 7y ago
    From what we've seen in first preliminary benchmarks, the 10nm isn't impressive in either Performance or Power Consumption and AMD trumps it in both. The consumer is only trapped if they choose Intel.
holtalanm 7y ago
> And for laptops everyone is stuck with Intel 14++ until AMD delivers 7nm for mobile idk, I got a Ryzen 5 HP Envy 15" last year, and am perfectly happy with it. Intel isn't 100% owning the laptop market right now.
Shorel 7y ago
I have a Ryzen 5 laptop but I am very interested in these new 7nm CPUs for the next one. This one was an anomaly and it doesn't feel fully supported by the Linux kernel, I have to add several parameters to the bootloader just to install Linux. Next iterations should be better.

marmaduke 7y ago

Dell ships à 14" Ryzen office laptop for the last year at least. I'm not saying it's the sexiest thing out there, but it does exist.

pkulak 7y ago
I think OP is talking nm, not inches. ;)
- jotm 7y ago
  14 inches = 355 600 000 nanometers, heh
- marmaduke 7y ago
  My point was that we aren't stuck with with Intel for laptops, because Ryzen laptops are being shipped for a while now.

mtgx 7y ago

It's a wasted opportunity for AMD not to try and beat Intel in laptops, and instead leaving mobile APUs for the end of a generation's lifecycle.

schanivo 7y ago

Well Lenovo is already selling the AMD based laptop for business users and they are quite a thing

virtualwhys 7y ago
Sure, but not yet on 7nm. Maybe sometime during 2020 that will happen, but there's no public roadmap that I know of that states AMD 7nm mobile processors will be available in X quarter of Y year.

zaarn 7y ago

10nm has to compete with 3 generations worth of improvement on 14nm. Intel dug their own grave there, they gambled on 10nm, they lost, then they gambled on 10nm being good enough to beat improved 14nm processes, and lost again.

virtualwhys 7y ago
If they don't jump straight to 7nm then next iteration of 10nm may be more impressive. At 6-8 cores a 10nm with low base clock and decent boost speeds would probably be a decent option provided it doesn't throttle in the thin/light laptops of today. Consumer is caught between worlds, the old power hungry one, and the new efficient one where long battery life and cool/quiet mobile systems are the norm (at least that's the hope).
- zaarn 7y ago
  From what we've seen in first preliminary benchmarks, the 10nm isn't impressive in either Performance or Power Consumption and AMD trumps it in both. The consumer is only trapped if they choose Intel.

holtalanm 7y ago

> And for laptops everyone is stuck with Intel 14++ until AMD delivers 7nm for mobile idk, I got a Ryzen 5 HP Envy 15" last year, and am perfectly happy with it. Intel isn't 100% owning the laptop market right now.

Shorel 7y ago

I have a Ryzen 5 laptop but I am very interested in these new 7nm CPUs for the next one. This one was an anomaly and it doesn't feel fully supported by the Linux kernel, I have to add several parameters to the bootloader just to install Linux. Next iterations should be better.