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Surveillance of the border from a reservation. What a clickbait title.

mikeash 7y ago
“...a 160-foot surveillance tower capable of continuously monitoring every person and vehicle within a radius of up to 7.5 miles.” Sounds like it’s surveilling the reservation to me. The stated purpose is to monitor border crossings, but that’s not the same as surveillance of the border.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  This is already a thing done in the border in other locations, the title makes it out like it was built to surveillance the reserve. That is a clickbait title.
  - mikeash 7y ago
    It was built to monitor the reservation, for the purpose of monitoring border crossings.
- Merrill 7y ago
  The reservation is roughly 60 x 60 miles and roughly squarish. So it appears that the surveillance is a few mile deep strip along its southern border.
darth_skywalker 7y ago
Not really - they're surveilling a hell of a lot more than just the border, which is a 1-dimensional object. They're surveilling a Native American community that's in the USA, not on the border. They're basically building surveillance towers on the border and pointing many of the cameras towards the American side, where Americans live.
- cbanek 7y ago
  IANAL but "Indian Law" is very complicated also as to what parts of federal law apply to reservations and which don't, and what sovereign rights the Tohono O'odham Nation has. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_Unit... As someone living in Tucson, and having to go through these Border Patrol checkpoints, it does feel like they've gotten more aggressive over time. The last time I went through a checkpoint, they didn't even ask about citizenship, just wanted to run their dog over the car sniffing for drugs, which I feel is a 4th amendment violation, even though the supreme court probably disagrees. I'm not sure if they have any legal recourse, but I'd love to hear a lawyer chime in. IANAL.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  People cross the border into the reservation, it’s not a game of red-rover. It’s not surveillance the reservation per-she, but the people and objects crossing.
  - LegitShady 7y ago
    >per-she per se, latin for "in itself"
    - _lflx 7y ago
      Sean Connery would like to persuade you otherwise.
      - LegitShady 7y ago
        even he prefers "per-shay"
        tzakrajs 7y ago
        Be careful, mods threatened to ban me because of this and other "unsubstantive" comments. It's considered abuse to have fun on HN if you aren't serving up hot new takes or facts. It's a really great community with moderators that care a lot.
mc32 7y ago
It’s also being deployed along the US-Canada border. It was(?) also the preferred solution by the congress who favor them over “actual” walls.

“...a 160-foot surveillance tower capable of continuously monitoring every person and vehicle within a radius of up to 7.5 miles.” Sounds like it’s surveilling the reservation to me. The stated purpose is to monitor border crossings, but that’s not the same as surveillance of the border.

mieseratte 7y ago
This is already a thing done in the border in other locations, the title makes it out like it was built to surveillance the reserve. That is a clickbait title.
- mikeash 7y ago
  It was built to monitor the reservation, for the purpose of monitoring border crossings.
Merrill 7y ago
The reservation is roughly 60 x 60 miles and roughly squarish. So it appears that the surveillance is a few mile deep strip along its southern border.

darth_skywalker 7y ago

Not really - they're surveilling a hell of a lot more than just the border, which is a 1-dimensional object. They're surveilling a Native American community that's in the USA, not on the border. They're basically building surveillance towers on the border and pointing many of the cameras towards the American side, where Americans live.

cbanek 7y ago
IANAL but "Indian Law" is very complicated also as to what parts of federal law apply to reservations and which don't, and what sovereign rights the Tohono O'odham Nation has. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_Unit... As someone living in Tucson, and having to go through these Border Patrol checkpoints, it does feel like they've gotten more aggressive over time. The last time I went through a checkpoint, they didn't even ask about citizenship, just wanted to run their dog over the car sniffing for drugs, which I feel is a 4th amendment violation, even though the supreme court probably disagrees. I'm not sure if they have any legal recourse, but I'd love to hear a lawyer chime in. IANAL.
mieseratte 7y ago
People cross the border into the reservation, it’s not a game of red-rover. It’s not surveillance the reservation per-she, but the people and objects crossing.
- LegitShady 7y ago
  >per-she per se, latin for "in itself"
  - _lflx 7y ago
    Sean Connery would like to persuade you otherwise.
    - LegitShady 7y ago
      even he prefers "per-shay"
      - tzakrajs 7y ago
        Be careful, mods threatened to ban me because of this and other "unsubstantive" comments. It's considered abuse to have fun on HN if you aren't serving up hot new takes or facts. It's a really great community with moderators that care a lot.

mc32 7y ago

It’s also being deployed along the US-Canada border. It was(?) also the preferred solution by the congress who favor them over “actual” walls.