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Fair enough. I apologize for getting overly defensive. That said, I do not think that this approach by Feross will work at all. Advertisers hate controversy, a

Fair enough. I apologize for getting overly defensive. That said, I do not think that this approach by Feross will work at all. Advertisers hate controversy, and given the fairly negative reception this approach has garnered, most of his sponsors (if they're aware) have now likely pulled their support or at least requested that he not put their ads on the terminal.

kemitchell 7y ago
jnbiche, nothing to apologize for! I've shared your concerns about the ad-based approach from the get-go. I sincerely hope ads of the kind don't become the norm for open developer funding. We know their cost from funding other kinds of open work so well. I'm interested in this mostly because I see distaste for ads trampling respect for maintainer autonomy, and that is wrong. I've endured the cycle of harassment that follows any credible attempt to fund development work in a new way, seen friends go through it, and saw Feross going into it. It's psychologically impossible for us to experiment our way to approaches that work with peer support.
- jnbiche 7y ago
  > I've endured the cycle of harassment that follows any credible attempt to fund development work in a new way, seen friends go through it, and saw Feross going into it. It's psychologically impossible for us to experiment our way to approaches that work with peer support. I'm sorry to hear you (or any open source dev) has experienced harassment because of funding attempts. I disagree with Feross, but I condemn any organized harassment. I would add that it's fairly predicable that any funding that hinges on innovative uses of ad technology are going to run up against heavy resistance in our communities. There's just not a lot of patience for advertising among techies. But outside of advertising, I hope developers do experiment with new funding approaches. It's greatly needed.

kemitchell 7y ago

jnbiche, nothing to apologize for! I've shared your concerns about the ad-based approach from the get-go. I sincerely hope ads of the kind don't become the norm for open developer funding. We know their cost from funding other kinds of open work so well. I'm interested in this mostly because I see distaste for ads trampling respect for maintainer autonomy, and that is wrong. I've endured the cycle of harassment that follows any credible attempt to fund development work in a new way, seen friends go through it, and saw Feross going into it. It's psychologically impossible for us to experiment our way to approaches that work with peer support.

jnbiche 7y ago
> I've endured the cycle of harassment that follows any credible attempt to fund development work in a new way, seen friends go through it, and saw Feross going into it. It's psychologically impossible for us to experiment our way to approaches that work with peer support. I'm sorry to hear you (or any open source dev) has experienced harassment because of funding attempts. I disagree with Feross, but I condemn any organized harassment. I would add that it's fairly predicable that any funding that hinges on innovative uses of ad technology are going to run up against heavy resistance in our communities. There's just not a lot of patience for advertising among techies. But outside of advertising, I hope developers do experiment with new funding approaches. It's greatly needed.