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An underground Facebook market for rare meat

63 points by empath75 7y ago

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aaron695 7y ago
Except, as they admit, it's not rare meat? Just a gambling group.
- userbinator 7y ago
  I suspect it's a pun on "rare" in the sense of "uncooked".
whatshisface 7y ago
>“It’s one thing to buy a spot for a razzle where the winner gets a shipment from Snake River Farms,” he explains. “But when someone is shipping something they made at home, I consider it borderline absurd, primarily due to the sanitation and safety concerns.” I eat almost nothing other than food made at home. I guess the government must be very concerned about what that could do to my safety.
- EGreg 7y ago
  And on the other hand, we have this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QUb7xKBM9G8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QUb7xKBM9G8 I have spoke to chefs who say they re-use chicken that was dropped on the floor, no problem. Somehow the government doesn’t prevent this: https://www.epicurious.com/archive/blogs/editor/2010/09/chef-secrets-cooking-sick-roaches-and-reusing-bread.html https://www.epicurious.com/archive/blogs/editor/2010/09/chef...
  - ivanhoe 7y ago
    Someone spitting on pizza is just a psychological issue as pizza is baked on very high temperature for long enough, so it will be effectively sterilized... same with the meat dropped on the floor, as long as it's prepared right after that so that bacteria couldn't multiply and penetrate deeper.
    - b_tterc_p 7y ago
      It’s more than possible for non-living but still harmful substances/chemicals to be on the floor.
      - ivanhoe 7y ago
        in substantial amounts and then not vaporize while cooking? I guess it's possible, but honestly I'd worry much more about the hygiene of meat processing plants and what happens to meat during the storage and transport
        whenchamenia 7y ago
        It is often the toxins from bacteria, rather than the bacteria itself that makes you sick. Don't play when it comes to meat.
        ivanhoe 7y ago
        We're discussing very specific scenario where there's no time for bacteria to produce a significant amount of toxins in those few minutes from falling on the floor to being prepared, and also the majority (although not all) of deadly meat bacteria toxins like botox are inactivated by cooking. Anyway, it's not that I like eating food from a floor or having someone spit in my dishes, I just argue that strictly sanitary these are not as big deal as they're psychologically.
        EGreg 7y ago
        You discount viruses that may be transmitted by saliva.
        ivanhoe 7y ago
        you discount that so many people don't wash their hands after using toilet, and they cook your food later... especially in fast food restaurants... and yet we survive...
  - yitchelle 7y ago
    This is apt for this discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-second_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-second_rule
  - gingabriska 7y ago
    >I have spoke to chefs who say they re-use chicken that was dropped on the floor, no problem. I also eat pizza slice which falls off my hand on the floor in my home. I've dropped food on floor many times, I just don't like to see food being wasted, I am not poor or anything. Infact, I am one of those people who rarely fall ill. Last year I had cold 1 time that lasted 2 days. Then there was a viral fever in my location and people were sick for 7-10 days and needed corse of antibiotics to clear as I got to know from my local doctor buddy. I caught the same viral from some Amazon delivery guy but refused to take meds and it auto healed it just 2 days! When I am about to fall sick, my appetite shots up and I feel very hungry then these small things always go away quick.
- esotericn 7y ago
  This comment originated from an untrusted source.
- larkeith 7y ago
  There's a world of difference between eating something that you've cooked, to a quality standard you know, in verifiably sanitary conditions, with limited exposure to bacteria, within a relatively short timespan after cooking, and eating food shipped across the country from an unknown, functionally-anonymous, and unaccountable source. While people are certainly welcome to spin that wheel, it's disingenuous to equate the risks with home cooking.
unnouinceput 7y ago
"A sucker is born every minute" - Nixon, during his famous '72 China visit.
lxhmj 7y ago
An Iberian octopus is an impossible-to-score good? As someone who lives in Spain I disagree.
- jarfil 7y ago
  Right now, Spain is importing over twice as much octopus as it's exporting. Actual Iberian octopus prices have gone up over a 400%, while most of the locally consumed (cheaper) stuff comes from Marocco and Mauritania.
- Vaskerville 7y ago
  Perhaps we should convince their group that berberechos are a new discovery?...haha. I'm in Kathmandu and today at my local market chain (Big Mart) I found frozen ostrich meat - an interesting surprise.
cheeze 7y ago
They are almost certainly talking about "Meat Street" I've been a member in the beer ones for years. Happy to answer any questions.
- shakers 7y ago
  What are the best beer ones?
- sytelus 7y ago
  This whole article is nonsensical to the point I think this is some sort of guerrilla marketing, but may be you can answer these: 1. Is there anyway to verify authenticity of the goods? Why anyone would trust this? 2. Many items you can buy without complexity of raffle and at lower price. So why even bother? 3. How does raffle makes it legal from non-legal from Facebook perspective?
  - flounder3 7y ago
    The secondary market for whiskey is quite real. The article is remarkably accurate on that accord, so it is very easy to believe the meat market is similar. With regard to booze: there is no way to truly verify or authenticate until you drink it against a known good bottle. For pricey bottles, most groups require detailed pictures of the laser code as well as the top foil measured against a ruler. Ultimately the only security is the attestation of references from previous transactions, but many of the large groups have been banned recently, which has been a huge hit to references. E.g. The MSRP of Pappy Van Winkle 15yr is $99. It goes for $999 on the secondary market (as well as in 95% of liquor stores in CA). Many of the raffle pages offered a shot at these bottles for like $100 x 10 slots, etc. AFAIK, it's only illegal to sell or ship booze. And again, AFAIK, it is not illegal to buy it second hand for personal consumption.
    - ryanmercer 7y ago
      >AFAIK, it's only illegal to sell or ship booze. And again, AFAIK, it is not illegal to buy it second hand for personal consumption. That's going to vary by state and country.
cosmodisk 7y ago
Leaving aside idiocy of buying meat from random, probably untraceable sources, I'm more interested in the logistics part of this.Assuming a good % of buyers are Americans,how an Octopus from Spain or a Unicorn from Sunnyland get delivered via customs? As far as I know, US can be very very picky about importing some random food... Anyone could elaborate on this?
- ryanmercer 7y ago
  >I'm more interested in the logistics part of this.Assuming a good % of buyers are Americans,how an Octopus from Spain or a Unicorn from Sunnyland get delivered via customs? As far as I know, US can be very very picky about importing some random food... Anyone could elaborate on this? I clear international freight through customs for a living, a good deal of importing small amounts of stuff is on the honor system. Sure, customs will randomly search shipments but I can think of many ways I could increase the likelihood of an individual getting something past customs. I will share them all, or even elaborate in any real detail but these tare all data points that could be considered: - description - value - country of origin - Declaring it as a REDACTED and/or as REDACTED - Sending it as REDACTED Then there are methods of packaging that can also increase chances of avoiding detection. Look, people ship illegal drugs internationally daily via darknet market purchases (I mean, open your DNM of choice and you can have a kilogram of cocaine shipped to your door domestically and internationally, clearly it's not all getting seized otherwise the listings would dry up as customers got burned), you also have gobs and gobs of counterfeit goods, goods from sanctioned/embargoed countries, etc all slipping by Customs (at least in the United States). A lot of it is purely due to the fact that, unless the inspect a package, it's an honor system "I claim this is what is in this box I'm sending to Bob in America" combined with the sheer volume of packages. I mean, on average PER DAY in fiscal year 2018, Customs processed 95,890 entries [1] of merchandise at air, land, and sea ports of entry. Most of that, never gets reviewed by a human being on the end of Customs as a lot of it is electronically transmitted via ABI and if any number of computer decisions don't flag it, it clears within seconds. [1] https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/typical-day-fy2018 https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/typical-day-fy2018
EdwardDiego 7y ago
I would love to be able to buy more game meats. While I can buy farmed venison, it's always red deer, and I vastly prefer fallow, far more tender and far less gamey. But as I lack the time go hunting these days, farmed red is really my only option.

63 points by empath75 7y ago

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aaron695 7y ago

Except, as they admit, it's not rare meat? Just a gambling group.

userbinator 7y ago
I suspect it's a pun on "rare" in the sense of "uncooked".

whatshisface 7y ago

>“It’s one thing to buy a spot for a razzle where the winner gets a shipment from Snake River Farms,” he explains. “But when someone is shipping something they made at home, I consider it borderline absurd, primarily due to the sanitation and safety concerns.” I eat almost nothing other than food made at home. I guess the government must be very concerned about what that could do to my safety.

EGreg 7y ago
And on the other hand, we have this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QUb7xKBM9G8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QUb7xKBM9G8 I have spoke to chefs who say they re-use chicken that was dropped on the floor, no problem. Somehow the government doesn’t prevent this: https://www.epicurious.com/archive/blogs/editor/2010/09/chef-secrets-cooking-sick-roaches-and-reusing-bread.html https://www.epicurious.com/archive/blogs/editor/2010/09/chef...
- ivanhoe 7y ago
  Someone spitting on pizza is just a psychological issue as pizza is baked on very high temperature for long enough, so it will be effectively sterilized... same with the meat dropped on the floor, as long as it's prepared right after that so that bacteria couldn't multiply and penetrate deeper.
  - b_tterc_p 7y ago
    It’s more than possible for non-living but still harmful substances/chemicals to be on the floor.
    - ivanhoe 7y ago
      in substantial amounts and then not vaporize while cooking? I guess it's possible, but honestly I'd worry much more about the hygiene of meat processing plants and what happens to meat during the storage and transport
      - whenchamenia 7y ago
        It is often the toxins from bacteria, rather than the bacteria itself that makes you sick. Don't play when it comes to meat.
        ivanhoe 7y ago
        We're discussing very specific scenario where there's no time for bacteria to produce a significant amount of toxins in those few minutes from falling on the floor to being prepared, and also the majority (although not all) of deadly meat bacteria toxins like botox are inactivated by cooking. Anyway, it's not that I like eating food from a floor or having someone spit in my dishes, I just argue that strictly sanitary these are not as big deal as they're psychologically.
        EGreg 7y ago
        You discount viruses that may be transmitted by saliva.
        ivanhoe 7y ago
        you discount that so many people don't wash their hands after using toilet, and they cook your food later... especially in fast food restaurants... and yet we survive...
- yitchelle 7y ago
  This is apt for this discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-second_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-second_rule
- gingabriska 7y ago
  >I have spoke to chefs who say they re-use chicken that was dropped on the floor, no problem. I also eat pizza slice which falls off my hand on the floor in my home. I've dropped food on floor many times, I just don't like to see food being wasted, I am not poor or anything. Infact, I am one of those people who rarely fall ill. Last year I had cold 1 time that lasted 2 days. Then there was a viral fever in my location and people were sick for 7-10 days and needed corse of antibiotics to clear as I got to know from my local doctor buddy. I caught the same viral from some Amazon delivery guy but refused to take meds and it auto healed it just 2 days! When I am about to fall sick, my appetite shots up and I feel very hungry then these small things always go away quick.
esotericn 7y ago
This comment originated from an untrusted source.
larkeith 7y ago
There's a world of difference between eating something that you've cooked, to a quality standard you know, in verifiably sanitary conditions, with limited exposure to bacteria, within a relatively short timespan after cooking, and eating food shipped across the country from an unknown, functionally-anonymous, and unaccountable source. While people are certainly welcome to spin that wheel, it's disingenuous to equate the risks with home cooking.

unnouinceput 7y ago

"A sucker is born every minute" - Nixon, during his famous '72 China visit.

lxhmj 7y ago

An Iberian octopus is an impossible-to-score good? As someone who lives in Spain I disagree.

jarfil 7y ago
Right now, Spain is importing over twice as much octopus as it's exporting. Actual Iberian octopus prices have gone up over a 400%, while most of the locally consumed (cheaper) stuff comes from Marocco and Mauritania.
Vaskerville 7y ago
Perhaps we should convince their group that berberechos are a new discovery?...haha. I'm in Kathmandu and today at my local market chain (Big Mart) I found frozen ostrich meat - an interesting surprise.

cheeze 7y ago

They are almost certainly talking about "Meat Street" I've been a member in the beer ones for years. Happy to answer any questions.

shakers 7y ago
What are the best beer ones?
sytelus 7y ago
This whole article is nonsensical to the point I think this is some sort of guerrilla marketing, but may be you can answer these: 1. Is there anyway to verify authenticity of the goods? Why anyone would trust this? 2. Many items you can buy without complexity of raffle and at lower price. So why even bother? 3. How does raffle makes it legal from non-legal from Facebook perspective?
- flounder3 7y ago
  The secondary market for whiskey is quite real. The article is remarkably accurate on that accord, so it is very easy to believe the meat market is similar. With regard to booze: there is no way to truly verify or authenticate until you drink it against a known good bottle. For pricey bottles, most groups require detailed pictures of the laser code as well as the top foil measured against a ruler. Ultimately the only security is the attestation of references from previous transactions, but many of the large groups have been banned recently, which has been a huge hit to references. E.g. The MSRP of Pappy Van Winkle 15yr is $99. It goes for $999 on the secondary market (as well as in 95% of liquor stores in CA). Many of the raffle pages offered a shot at these bottles for like $100 x 10 slots, etc. AFAIK, it's only illegal to sell or ship booze. And again, AFAIK, it is not illegal to buy it second hand for personal consumption.
  - ryanmercer 7y ago
    >AFAIK, it's only illegal to sell or ship booze. And again, AFAIK, it is not illegal to buy it second hand for personal consumption. That's going to vary by state and country.

cosmodisk 7y ago

Leaving aside idiocy of buying meat from random, probably untraceable sources, I'm more interested in the logistics part of this.Assuming a good % of buyers are Americans,how an Octopus from Spain or a Unicorn from Sunnyland get delivered via customs? As far as I know, US can be very very picky about importing some random food... Anyone could elaborate on this?

ryanmercer 7y ago
>I'm more interested in the logistics part of this.Assuming a good % of buyers are Americans,how an Octopus from Spain or a Unicorn from Sunnyland get delivered via customs? As far as I know, US can be very very picky about importing some random food... Anyone could elaborate on this? I clear international freight through customs for a living, a good deal of importing small amounts of stuff is on the honor system. Sure, customs will randomly search shipments but I can think of many ways I could increase the likelihood of an individual getting something past customs. I will share them all, or even elaborate in any real detail but these tare all data points that could be considered: - description - value - country of origin - Declaring it as a REDACTED and/or as REDACTED - Sending it as REDACTED Then there are methods of packaging that can also increase chances of avoiding detection. Look, people ship illegal drugs internationally daily via darknet market purchases (I mean, open your DNM of choice and you can have a kilogram of cocaine shipped to your door domestically and internationally, clearly it's not all getting seized otherwise the listings would dry up as customers got burned), you also have gobs and gobs of counterfeit goods, goods from sanctioned/embargoed countries, etc all slipping by Customs (at least in the United States). A lot of it is purely due to the fact that, unless the inspect a package, it's an honor system "I claim this is what is in this box I'm sending to Bob in America" combined with the sheer volume of packages. I mean, on average PER DAY in fiscal year 2018, Customs processed 95,890 entries [1] of merchandise at air, land, and sea ports of entry. Most of that, never gets reviewed by a human being on the end of Customs as a lot of it is electronically transmitted via ABI and if any number of computer decisions don't flag it, it clears within seconds. [1] https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/typical-day-fy2018 https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/typical-day-fy2018

EdwardDiego 7y ago

I would love to be able to buy more game meats. While I can buy farmed venison, it's always red deer, and I vastly prefer fallow, far more tender and far less gamey. But as I lack the time go hunting these days, farmed red is really my only option.