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Someday the general populace may come to recognize the true cost of demanding the "convenience" of smart voice assistants, automated photo-tagging, relevant pro

Someday the general populace may come to recognize the true cost of demanding the "convenience" of smart voice assistants, automated photo-tagging, relevant product suggestions, etc. and maybe then we'll see outrage. Or we're already at that point, and the general populace has chosen perceived convenience above all else?

erikpukinskis 7y ago
The cost will be enormous. But I expect the outrage will be very similar to the outrage we see now towards industrialism: Yes, the costs are devastating, and a small minority perceive that devastation acutely (including me). But the vast majority of people think: oh well, would you rather be starving on a farm in the dustbowl? So I don’t expect any kind of major political unrest regarding privacy ever. Privacy Within Society was a blip in history. After that it was either/or and privacy was a thing you had to construct through separation.
- briandear 7y ago
  Was anyone’s privacy actually violated? The voices were anonymized and not tied to an identity or device. It’s like someone leaked random paragraphs of random emails with identifiers pulled out.
hutzlibu 7y ago
I see nothing wrong with smart voice assistants etc. I only see a problem with it all controlled by few corporations and all the proprietary algorithms underneath closed up.. They know all about us and we almost nothing about them. .. or in a dystopian future, even "they" then do not know how all the proprietary libaries, training data and algorithms etc. of all the smart homes and self driving cars and autonomous killer robots anymore, and then some conflicting virus gets out of controll and ... Booom.
robbrown451 7y ago
Someone needs to clarify what those costs actually are. Some people don't value privacy as much as others, and they aren't "wrong", they just have different values and priorities. Personally, I am quite fine having my smart voice assistant send my recordings to humans somewhere to evaluate to train the database. In fact I always assumed they were doing that.
briandear 7y ago
For Apple, auto-photo identification happens on-device.

erikpukinskis 7y ago

The cost will be enormous. But I expect the outrage will be very similar to the outrage we see now towards industrialism: Yes, the costs are devastating, and a small minority perceive that devastation acutely (including me). But the vast majority of people think: oh well, would you rather be starving on a farm in the dustbowl? So I don’t expect any kind of major political unrest regarding privacy ever. Privacy Within Society was a blip in history. After that it was either/or and privacy was a thing you had to construct through separation.

briandear 7y ago
Was anyone’s privacy actually violated? The voices were anonymized and not tied to an identity or device. It’s like someone leaked random paragraphs of random emails with identifiers pulled out.

hutzlibu 7y ago

I see nothing wrong with smart voice assistants etc. I only see a problem with it all controlled by few corporations and all the proprietary algorithms underneath closed up.. They know all about us and we almost nothing about them. .. or in a dystopian future, even "they" then do not know how all the proprietary libaries, training data and algorithms etc. of all the smart homes and self driving cars and autonomous killer robots anymore, and then some conflicting virus gets out of controll and ... Booom.

robbrown451 7y ago

Someone needs to clarify what those costs actually are. Some people don't value privacy as much as others, and they aren't "wrong", they just have different values and priorities. Personally, I am quite fine having my smart voice assistant send my recordings to humans somewhere to evaluate to train the database. In fact I always assumed they were doing that.

briandear 7y ago

For Apple, auto-photo identification happens on-device.