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I may take your comment wrong, but i feel like everybody’s becoming a bit hysterical regarding climate warming. I feel like media are surfing on population fear

by bsaul 7y ago

I may take your comment wrong, but i feel like everybody’s becoming a bit hysterical regarding climate warming. I feel like media are surfing on population fears ( as usual) but that for some reason, the scientific minds are completely unable to take a step back, and keep their cool. Why do you think a small percentage increase on natural forest fires happening every year or so will have any kind of meaningful worldwide effect on temperature ?

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eloff 7y ago
It's a legitimate question, which you do not provide any evidence to refute. Fires do contribute to climate change because they convert stored carbon into atmospheric carbon. A question is how much do they contribute. Fires are also natural (although not in the Amazon or Congo so much!) so it's not like you could eliminate them entirely anyway.
cryptoz 7y ago
[My comments are not welcome here, I get it. I have been banned from continuing to post here so I will remove these offending posts to prevent further perceived degradation to the discussion.]
- bsaul 7y ago
  « Small negative inputs into a system can have dramatic, quickly-shifting consequence« Or, you could consider that earth climate has proven to be resistant enough to natural catastrophies for life to evolve for millions of years. I’m not saying i’m right, but there’s no reason to have those huge headlines in news, as well as international threats to brazil just because this year’s fires are higher that last year ( but equal to those of a few years ago).
  - enraged_camel 7y ago
    >>Or, you could consider that earth climate has proven to be resistant enough to natural catastrophies for life to evolve for millions of years. The Earth has never had a massive industrial human civilization on it until the last ~200 years.
    - bsaul 7y ago
      i think the subject was forest fires, and not really human based CO2 emission from industry and oil...
      - en-us 7y ago
        These fires are set by humans to make land for farming, so it is human based CO2 emissions from industry.
modo_ 7y ago
I don't think that necessarily -- I am curious whether it's a possibility, though. Wildfires are a rapidly growing source of air pollution. The black + brown carbon aerosols from forest fires can heat the atmosphere significantly [1]. We've seen that emissions from forest fires can effect climate on a global scale. Climate models attempt to account for heating due to forest fires. But, I'm curious if it's possible that we've underestimated the severity of forest fires in those models. [1] https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/factsheets/csdWildfiresFIREX.pdf https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/factsheets/csdWildfiresFIREX.p...
situational87 7y ago
Coastlines are surging and eroding. Today. Right now. This is not a fictional problem.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  Just to give you some perspective on the scale of sea level rise, which has been occurring since the end of the ice age: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Lev...

by bsaul 7y ago

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eloff 7y ago

It's a legitimate question, which you do not provide any evidence to refute. Fires do contribute to climate change because they convert stored carbon into atmospheric carbon. A question is how much do they contribute. Fires are also natural (although not in the Amazon or Congo so much!) so it's not like you could eliminate them entirely anyway.

cryptoz 7y ago

[My comments are not welcome here, I get it. I have been banned from continuing to post here so I will remove these offending posts to prevent further perceived degradation to the discussion.]

bsaul 7y ago
« Small negative inputs into a system can have dramatic, quickly-shifting consequence« Or, you could consider that earth climate has proven to be resistant enough to natural catastrophies for life to evolve for millions of years. I’m not saying i’m right, but there’s no reason to have those huge headlines in news, as well as international threats to brazil just because this year’s fires are higher that last year ( but equal to those of a few years ago).
- enraged_camel 7y ago
  >>Or, you could consider that earth climate has proven to be resistant enough to natural catastrophies for life to evolve for millions of years. The Earth has never had a massive industrial human civilization on it until the last ~200 years.
  - bsaul 7y ago
    i think the subject was forest fires, and not really human based CO2 emission from industry and oil...
    - en-us 7y ago
      These fires are set by humans to make land for farming, so it is human based CO2 emissions from industry.

modo_ 7y ago

I don't think that necessarily -- I am curious whether it's a possibility, though. Wildfires are a rapidly growing source of air pollution. The black + brown carbon aerosols from forest fires can heat the atmosphere significantly [1]. We've seen that emissions from forest fires can effect climate on a global scale. Climate models attempt to account for heating due to forest fires. But, I'm curious if it's possible that we've underestimated the severity of forest fires in those models. [1] https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/factsheets/csdWildfiresFIREX.pdf https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/factsheets/csdWildfiresFIREX.p...

situational87 7y ago

Coastlines are surging and eroding. Today. Right now. This is not a fictional problem.

chrisco255 7y ago
Just to give you some perspective on the scale of sea level rise, which has been occurring since the end of the ice age: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Lev...