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Competition to cable should improve speed and reduce internet prices. Right now we only have cable in most of the country, when 5g is out we will have three mo

by DenisM 7y ago

Competition to cable should improve speed and reduce internet prices. Right now we only have cable in most of the country, when 5g is out we will have three more last-mike providers: ATT, Verizon, and T-Mobile.

ledauphin 7y ago
oh wait, two of those already are last mile providers in many parts of the country... I'm not sure who exactly they're going to end up completing with.
- DenisM 7y ago
  Each other. Three providers better than one.
jchw 7y ago
Well, that it certainly isn't going to do unless wireless providers suddenly decide to stop capping data so tightly. I don't think wireless providers are cheaper today if you include things like that in the calculation. Not to mention many people already use AT&T and Verizon for their home internet...
- tehlike 7y ago
  Data caps will go away over time. People with things like nest cameras routinely go over 1tb data cap on comcast fiber. These people started moving to att. Over time, i do expect competition to work its way, on data cap matters at least.
- DenisM 7y ago
  Take a look into 5g, eg Verizon, - it’s aimed to be last mile competition, and have the same caps. Comcast is capped at 200gb, I imagine 5g would be similar.
  - jchw 7y ago
    It seems the cap is not a universal constant - my cap with Comcast is actually 1024GB. I honestly thought 1024GB was enough that I'd never actually get very close to it, but wow, I don't have a single month under 200GB. In fact, most months are above 500GB for me. Of course not everyone uses 500GB a month. But still, I think the data cap story has to change if 5G is really to compete with other last mile options. Also, Today, wireless providers segment the crap out of their market, upcharging for basically anything, including "tethering." With Comcast, for all of their many faults, I can at least use my own modem, connect my NAS and have it accept connections from the open Internet, and of course connect a boatload of computers and network devices with no problems. Wireless providers, to gain parity, would have to suddenly cede control and offer plans that essentially offer no restrictions with dedicated IP addresses. It isn't clear to me that this will be priced any differently from existing last-mile providers. It's not like good wireless plans are cheap today in the U.S. as it is. 5G may in fact improve wireless speeds, but the hype has been that it will be game-changing and industry-shifting and I just don't see it. I'm sure the market will get segmented up such that many people will basically pay the same amount or possibly even more than they did for effectively the same outcome.
    - DenisM 7y ago
      Verizon 5g home is uncapped, 300mps, and $50-$70/mo. That’s already better than Comcast for me - faster and cheaper. Soon as they come to my town I’m switching. But the main point is that competition will drive down prices even more. I don’t think you appreciate what 5g is - it’s not just an improvement over 4g in speed (LTE is already fast enough), it’s a dramatic improvement in the throughput per square mile. The caps in place today are preventing small number of people from hogging the bandwidth in the area, which is no longer a problem. https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/5g-home-faqs/ https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/5g-home-faqs/ https://www.verizonwireless.com/5g/home/?cmp=KNC-C-HQ-PRO-R-BP-NONE-NONE-2K0PX0-PX-GAW-71700000053648015&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwK-vxrCc5AIVYxh9Ch2I0gO-EAAYAiAAEgJj5_D_BwE https://www.verizonwireless.com/5g/home/?cmp=KNC-C-HQ-PRO-R-...
      - jchw 7y ago

by DenisM 7y ago

ledauphin 7y ago

oh wait, two of those already are last mile providers in many parts of the country... I'm not sure who exactly they're going to end up completing with.

DenisM 7y ago
Each other. Three providers better than one.

jchw 7y ago

Well, that it certainly isn't going to do unless wireless providers suddenly decide to stop capping data so tightly. I don't think wireless providers are cheaper today if you include things like that in the calculation. Not to mention many people already use AT&T and Verizon for their home internet...

tehlike 7y ago
Data caps will go away over time. People with things like nest cameras routinely go over 1tb data cap on comcast fiber. These people started moving to att. Over time, i do expect competition to work its way, on data cap matters at least.
DenisM 7y ago
Take a look into 5g, eg Verizon, - it’s aimed to be last mile competition, and have the same caps. Comcast is capped at 200gb, I imagine 5g would be similar.
- jchw 7y ago
  It seems the cap is not a universal constant - my cap with Comcast is actually 1024GB. I honestly thought 1024GB was enough that I'd never actually get very close to it, but wow, I don't have a single month under 200GB. In fact, most months are above 500GB for me. Of course not everyone uses 500GB a month. But still, I think the data cap story has to change if 5G is really to compete with other last mile options. Also, Today, wireless providers segment the crap out of their market, upcharging for basically anything, including "tethering." With Comcast, for all of their many faults, I can at least use my own modem, connect my NAS and have it accept connections from the open Internet, and of course connect a boatload of computers and network devices with no problems. Wireless providers, to gain parity, would have to suddenly cede control and offer plans that essentially offer no restrictions with dedicated IP addresses. It isn't clear to me that this will be priced any differently from existing last-mile providers. It's not like good wireless plans are cheap today in the U.S. as it is. 5G may in fact improve wireless speeds, but the hype has been that it will be game-changing and industry-shifting and I just don't see it. I'm sure the market will get segmented up such that many people will basically pay the same amount or possibly even more than they did for effectively the same outcome.
  - DenisM 7y ago
    Verizon 5g home is uncapped, 300mps, and $50-$70/mo. That’s already better than Comcast for me - faster and cheaper. Soon as they come to my town I’m switching. But the main point is that competition will drive down prices even more. I don’t think you appreciate what 5g is - it’s not just an improvement over 4g in speed (LTE is already fast enough), it’s a dramatic improvement in the throughput per square mile. The caps in place today are preventing small number of people from hogging the bandwidth in the area, which is no longer a problem. https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/5g-home-faqs/ https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/5g-home-faqs/ https://www.verizonwireless.com/5g/home/?cmp=KNC-C-HQ-PRO-R-BP-NONE-NONE-2K0PX0-PX-GAW-71700000053648015&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwK-vxrCc5AIVYxh9Ch2I0gO-EAAYAiAAEgJj5_D_BwE https://www.verizonwireless.com/5g/home/?cmp=KNC-C-HQ-PRO-R-...
    - jchw 7y ago