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“Vaping” can often mean people filling mod boxes (not Juuls) with any sort of juice containing anything. Articles and studies often include any random juice in

by magoon 7y ago

“Vaping” can often mean people filling mod boxes (not Juuls) with any sort of juice containing anything. Articles and studies often include any random juice in any random shop, so there are endless unknowns. Juuls and many other pens contain limited ingredients, namely nicotine and propylene glycol. We already know what nicotine does. Propylene glycol is food safe and is also used in albuterol asthma inhalers.

ceejayoz 7y ago
Food safe and inhalation safe are not the same thing. Try vaping some habanero oil to have the difference made clear.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  It's used in asthma inhalers as well (of course, minus flavorings and with stricter quality controls.)
dazzawazza 7y ago
Vaping fumes trigger my asthma, there is all sorts of stuff in the second hand smoke. The smoking ban in the UK basically stopped me being admitted to hospital every few years and I appreciate that most bars/clubs have banned vaping inside (certainly in London).
- EpicEng 7y ago
  I vape and I'm with you in that we cannot just assume it's benign. You do have to be careful of some studies which have shown things like Formaldehyde though as the conditions (far too hot, burning cotton, etc.) we just wrong. That said, would excessive water vapor trigger an attack? Water based fog machines have been known to[1], but are harmless for most people. The flavorings can add all sorts of bad crap though. [1]: https://acaai.org/resources/connect/ask-allergist/fog-machines-and-asthma https://acaai.org/resources/connect/ask-allergist/fog-machin...
  - dazzawazza 7y ago
    I don't really know about fog machines. I've certainly had asthma in an environment with fog machines but people were also smoking and that's a definite trigger. I was on a train a few years ago and had a very weird rapid-onset asthma attack while sitting down. I could feel something weird in the air and taste something very bitter. I looked around and someone was vaping behind me. You're not allowed to vape on UK trains so I guess they turned the "smoke" down? There was no visible cloud. Could easily be a coincidence but the lack of regulation for the "carrier" chemicals is a bit worrying.
geggam 7y ago
Propylene glycol is food safe and is also used in albuterol asthma inhalers. A Nit : “generally recognized as safe” for use in food. https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=240 https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=...
eurasiantiger 7y ago
Juuls contain a mixture of nicotine salts and presumably other alkaloids extracted from the tobacco plant. Very different in effect from pure nicotine.

by magoon 7y ago

ceejayoz 7y ago

Food safe and inhalation safe are not the same thing. Try vaping some habanero oil to have the difference made clear.

EpicEng 7y ago
It's used in asthma inhalers as well (of course, minus flavorings and with stricter quality controls.)

dazzawazza 7y ago

Vaping fumes trigger my asthma, there is all sorts of stuff in the second hand smoke. The smoking ban in the UK basically stopped me being admitted to hospital every few years and I appreciate that most bars/clubs have banned vaping inside (certainly in London).

EpicEng 7y ago
I vape and I'm with you in that we cannot just assume it's benign. You do have to be careful of some studies which have shown things like Formaldehyde though as the conditions (far too hot, burning cotton, etc.) we just wrong. That said, would excessive water vapor trigger an attack? Water based fog machines have been known to[1], but are harmless for most people. The flavorings can add all sorts of bad crap though. [1]: https://acaai.org/resources/connect/ask-allergist/fog-machines-and-asthma https://acaai.org/resources/connect/ask-allergist/fog-machin...
- dazzawazza 7y ago
  I don't really know about fog machines. I've certainly had asthma in an environment with fog machines but people were also smoking and that's a definite trigger. I was on a train a few years ago and had a very weird rapid-onset asthma attack while sitting down. I could feel something weird in the air and taste something very bitter. I looked around and someone was vaping behind me. You're not allowed to vape on UK trains so I guess they turned the "smoke" down? There was no visible cloud. Could easily be a coincidence but the lack of regulation for the "carrier" chemicals is a bit worrying.

geggam 7y ago

Propylene glycol is food safe and is also used in albuterol asthma inhalers. A Nit : “generally recognized as safe” for use in food. https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=240 https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxsubstance.asp?toxid=...

eurasiantiger 7y ago

Juuls contain a mixture of nicotine salts and presumably other alkaloids extracted from the tobacco plant. Very different in effect from pure nicotine.