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All I have seen these days in the press is to blame Bolsonaro, of some fires that occur, every year, for decades on an area of 5,500,000 km2 and you will tell m

All I have seen these days in the press is to blame Bolsonaro, of some fires that occur, every year, for decades on an area of 5,500,000 km2 and you will tell me how a person can monitor so much surface, which is not even People can travel. Presidents of other countries that I am not going to mention have campaigned against Bolsonaro using old photos. It is unfortunate the political use that is being given to this, added to the contribution that the press is making to the levels of hysteria of the people, does not help at all.

fwsgonzo 7y ago
Bolsonaro is a dangerous far-right buffoon who is accelerating logging in the amazon basin. If you want to talk about politics then why was his direct opponent put in jail during the election? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics/brazils-bolsonaro-names-judge-who-jailed-his-rival-as-justice-minister-idUSKCN1N65CE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics/brazils-b... He is basically the encyclopaedia image of corruption.
- meerita 7y ago
  His direct oponent was guilty of several corruption cases. It went on an extensive judiciary process i believe you have followed or you understand. It wasnt jailed summarily. The supreme court even denied by votation so, it is not something we can relate to the amazonian fire season.
  - guilhas 7y ago
    His opponent was jailed with zero proof, in a sham that clear at the time for anyone that understands the justice process. But recently it was clear for everyone with the judge Moro leaked WhatsApp messages. https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-politics/national-politics/new-lava-jato-leak-while-mocking-lula-moro-was-instructing-the-prosecution/ https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-politics/national...
    - andrenth 7y ago
      Here, take your mortadela sandwich.
      - guilhas 7y ago
        Ok right wing evangelist with 0 arguments.
        andrenth 7y ago
        There are multiple pieces of evidence of corruption practiced by Lula. That includes documents (found at Lula’s apartment!), witnesses and circumstantial evidence. Lula declared having payed R$ 47k for his two-story apartment (in income tax forms!), while a neighbor payed over R$ 900k. Lula’s three-story apartment is the only in the building to include a private elevator, a request he made himself to the construction company (OAS) owner, who is also in jail. The apartment’s kitchen had enhancements made, payed by OAS by Lula’s request. There were messages found on OAS’ owner’s and employees’ phones that mention the apartment and other property as belonging to Lula and his wife. Yet despite all this Lula shamelessly claims he wasn’t related at all to the apartment, that it wasn’t his. The defense claims he isn’t the owner because there are no documents putting his name on it. Now this is laughable because, because the conviction is for concealment of property. By the very nature of the crime, evidence has to be mostly circumstantial. People are free to believe whatever their ideological preferences make them feel good. However, claiming this conviction, confirmed by multiple instances of Brazilian justice, unanimously, by a dozen judges, happened with “zero proof” is misleading (to say the least).
      - dang 7y ago
        This comment breaks the site guidelines. Can you please review them and use HN as intended? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've had to ask you multiple times not to do political flamewar on HN. Please don't use this site for political battle, even if other commenters are wrong or annoying. It destroys the intellectual curiosity that HN exists for.
_hl_ 7y ago
> how a person can monitor so much surface Brazil used to have an autonomous satellite monitoring system (Prodes and Deter) which Bolsonaro is actively working to dismantle, along with the environmental protection agency Ibama. There are many valid reasons to blame Bolsonaro for what is happening.
- meerita 7y ago
  NASA is doing that too. But how you can control everything to the point to avoid the Fire Season. You can't. The Amazonias (I visited in 1998) is not a place you can move teams and quickly shutdown any fires. It's a very complicated terrain and also, the fires spread at a pace you cannot really imagine.
  - _hl_ 7y ago
    How can you be arguing that Bolsonaro is doing the best he can to reduce deforestation and fires when he has repeatedly shown that he has no interest in doing so? You certainly can't do much against the fires once they have broken out at such a vast scale. But with something as recurring and hence predictable as the Amazon wildfires, you can at least try to reduce spread and contain the damage. Also, I'm sure a lot of the fires are intentionally started as a quick way of deforesting and clearing land for farmland and cattle. You seem to argue that the fires are purely an act of God and there is nothing humanity can do, which just seems a little ridiculous given that Bolsonaro is dismantling established environmental protection policies to make way for more farming etc. There is a lot of evidence that human activity is significantly contributing to the wildfires [1]. [1]: https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/content/fires-amazon-rainforest-seen-noaa-20 https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/content/fires-amazon-rainforest-...

fwsgonzo 7y ago

Bolsonaro is a dangerous far-right buffoon who is accelerating logging in the amazon basin. If you want to talk about politics then why was his direct opponent put in jail during the election? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics/brazils-bolsonaro-names-judge-who-jailed-his-rival-as-justice-minister-idUSKCN1N65CE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics/brazils-b... He is basically the encyclopaedia image of corruption.

meerita 7y ago
His direct oponent was guilty of several corruption cases. It went on an extensive judiciary process i believe you have followed or you understand. It wasnt jailed summarily. The supreme court even denied by votation so, it is not something we can relate to the amazonian fire season.
- guilhas 7y ago
  His opponent was jailed with zero proof, in a sham that clear at the time for anyone that understands the justice process. But recently it was clear for everyone with the judge Moro leaked WhatsApp messages. https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-politics/national-politics/new-lava-jato-leak-while-mocking-lula-moro-was-instructing-the-prosecution/ https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-politics/national...
  - andrenth 7y ago
    Here, take your mortadela sandwich.
    - guilhas 7y ago
      Ok right wing evangelist with 0 arguments.
      - andrenth 7y ago
        There are multiple pieces of evidence of corruption practiced by Lula. That includes documents (found at Lula’s apartment!), witnesses and circumstantial evidence. Lula declared having payed R$ 47k for his two-story apartment (in income tax forms!), while a neighbor payed over R$ 900k. Lula’s three-story apartment is the only in the building to include a private elevator, a request he made himself to the construction company (OAS) owner, who is also in jail. The apartment’s kitchen had enhancements made, payed by OAS by Lula’s request. There were messages found on OAS’ owner’s and employees’ phones that mention the apartment and other property as belonging to Lula and his wife. Yet despite all this Lula shamelessly claims he wasn’t related at all to the apartment, that it wasn’t his. The defense claims he isn’t the owner because there are no documents putting his name on it. Now this is laughable because, because the conviction is for concealment of property. By the very nature of the crime, evidence has to be mostly circumstantial. People are free to believe whatever their ideological preferences make them feel good. However, claiming this conviction, confirmed by multiple instances of Brazilian justice, unanimously, by a dozen judges, happened with “zero proof” is misleading (to say the least).
    - dang 7y ago
      This comment breaks the site guidelines. Can you please review them and use HN as intended? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've had to ask you multiple times not to do political flamewar on HN. Please don't use this site for political battle, even if other commenters are wrong or annoying. It destroys the intellectual curiosity that HN exists for.

_hl_ 7y ago

> how a person can monitor so much surface Brazil used to have an autonomous satellite monitoring system (Prodes and Deter) which Bolsonaro is actively working to dismantle, along with the environmental protection agency Ibama. There are many valid reasons to blame Bolsonaro for what is happening.

meerita 7y ago
NASA is doing that too. But how you can control everything to the point to avoid the Fire Season. You can't. The Amazonias (I visited in 1998) is not a place you can move teams and quickly shutdown any fires. It's a very complicated terrain and also, the fires spread at a pace you cannot really imagine.
- _hl_ 7y ago
  How can you be arguing that Bolsonaro is doing the best he can to reduce deforestation and fires when he has repeatedly shown that he has no interest in doing so? You certainly can't do much against the fires once they have broken out at such a vast scale. But with something as recurring and hence predictable as the Amazon wildfires, you can at least try to reduce spread and contain the damage. Also, I'm sure a lot of the fires are intentionally started as a quick way of deforesting and clearing land for farmland and cattle. You seem to argue that the fires are purely an act of God and there is nothing humanity can do, which just seems a little ridiculous given that Bolsonaro is dismantling established environmental protection policies to make way for more farming etc. There is a lot of evidence that human activity is significantly contributing to the wildfires [1]. [1]: https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/content/fires-amazon-rainforest-seen-noaa-20 https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/content/fires-amazon-rainforest-...