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If you find that annoying then maybe, just maybe you have a small idea how annoyed the author is from people literally abusing his work beyond the scope it was
by Zenst 7y ago
If you find that annoying then maybe, just maybe you have a small idea how annoyed the author is from people literally abusing his work beyond the scope it was offered and causing all sorts of grief and abuse from people demanding support for a product that he never sold and never even scoped as supported.
Whilst many are great users, who use as intended, just reading his post in full outlines just some of the instances and issues that have caused what was a passion and a hobby project to become a source of abuse and mental anguish. Nobody should have to endure that, more so when they did nothing wrong.
- groundlogic 7y agoIf the code was used in an illegal way in terms of licenses; I feel for the author. Otherwise not really. Example: If you license something under e.g. the MIT license, a company ends up using it correctly, and you feel bad about the transaction - sorry, that's on you. I really don't get why this is controversial. You license your code under a license for a reason.
- ziddoap 7y agoProduce something of value, for free. Then, when you start getting 10,000+ e-mails shitting on you for not also doing XYZ for free, because how dare you not, I'll take your opinion with a more open mind. The author made it fairly clear that this was not just a money situation.
- groundlogic 7y ago..so, in a hyphothetical case, let's say "you" published some code under the MIT license. You then got 10k emails. What's your point? What do you want to say?
- ziddoap 7y agoIt's not hypothetical. >I never intended for wiringPi to be statically linked either – and thanks to the incompetence of many people who have done just this, I’ve had over 10,000 emails from people who upgraded their Pi and found that code stopped working because they were reliant on a system (typically some java/javascript/node or home automation or UPS thing) which had statically linked an older version My point is, the author intended the project to be used for X. It was used for Y. Author doesn't want to support Y. Author gets bombarded with e-mails complaining they don't support Y. This isn't "suddenly creating drama like this" or "also somehow expecting to make money off this" as you asserted. Another pertinent part of the article you seem to be skipping is: >Add to that the people who have “bludgeoned” wiringPi to work on other fruit Pi platforms, but left my name as the contact email … You claiming the author is just creating drama solely because of money is a gross misreading of the situation.
- groundlogic 7y agoYou seem to have commented to the wrong comment of mine.
- ziddoap 7y agoWere you not the one who said groundlogic 52 minutes ago | parent | flag | favorite | on: WiringPi – deprecated I'm a bit annoyed about people running popular open source projects suddenly creating drama like this Followed with but also somehow expecting to make money off this To which I replied The author made it fairly clear that this was not just a money situation. To which you replied What's your point? And I said that my point was that this isn't about money? Or am I just going crazy?
- groundlogic 7y agoHow about replying in the proper part of the thread instead of a randomly selected part, then?
- inferiorhuman 7y agoWhat's your point? What do you want to say? The point, and the reason I've downvoted you, is that Gordon clearly spelled out that his frustration is not about money. Gordon's clearly articulated frustration is in having to deal with demanding and abusive users. By pursuing the argument that Gordon's angry about making an insufficient amount of money you're perpetuating a strawman argument.
- groundlogic 7y agoYou just replied to a hypothetical case, with a concrete case. This makes no sense.
- guardiangod 7y agoThe point is, regardless of whether the author chooses GPL or MIT, he should not be subjected to abusive 'support requests'. No one deserved to be verbally abuse from total strangers for things beyond his control. Yes, the author could simply ignore the requests. But we ought to aim higher than 'silently accept the harassment and do nothing,' for the betterment of everyone.
- groundlogic 7y agoI fully agree with you.
- ziddoap 7y ago>If the code was used in an illegal way in terms of licenses; I feel for the author. Otherwise not really. It seems like you only think the author has a right to be frustrated if the license is used in an illegal way, not if they license is followed but the users are abusive.
- groundlogic 7y agoSorry guys, I'm giving up on this thread now I've tried to be focused and responsive, but instead of responding to my arguments, people like you seem intent on hunting for quotes elsewhere in the thread, somewhat at random. This is like the third time in this thread alone.
- ziddoap 7y agoAh, sorry. I didn't realize that something you said less than half an hour ago, in the same thread, in the same context, has no business being quoted. Apologies. Who would of thought things you said previously about a subject might be brought up later in the conversation?
- groundlogic 7y agoDon't feel bad. I've learned a lesson; never enter an open source discussion with GPL developers.