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My platform is called the Internet. I'm still subject to some rules, but a heck of a lot less than the gardens you guys develop in like Facebook, Twitter and A

by davidu 16y ago

My platform is called the Internet. I'm still subject to some rules, but a heck of a lot less than the gardens you guys develop in like Facebook, Twitter and AOL. I included AOL, because while it seems ridiculous someone would do that today, people used to until they got horrifically burned, and I think it'll be the same with non-decentralized platforms like FB and Twitter in the future. Once again, my platform is the Internet.

davidu 16y ago
PS -- I use FB and Twitter a ton, and I love SmartTwitter. I've even sent some emails on behalf of SmartTwitter to folks I know who might be able to fix this issue. My point was simply that this will become par for the course, and you should expect and be okay with that if you are developing on OPP (other peoples platforms). And that might be fine. SkyMall is at the mercy of the airlines, but still makes an absolute killing and so they put up with it.
andrewljohnson 16y ago
My platform is mobile devices. I am happy to develop Android and iOS apps, and I feel like the companies who run these somewhat walled gardens play mostly fair. As an added bonus, they have provided me a way to make money. People who have found their success on the internet at large are my colleagues, but occasionally they are also arrogant in their views that anyone who doesn't make an HTML website is an idiot. These people's tunnel vision will hold them back their whole lives, and this character flaw is likely evidenced in other views they espouse.
- pyre 16y ago
  You don't have to 'code' HTML to avoid walled gardens.
  - andrewljohnson 16y ago
    Usually when you put a word in quotes, you are quoting something. I didn't use the word 'code' at all.
    - knome 16y ago
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
- minalecs 16y ago
  in all honesty I think the short sightedness is that .. this environment of developing 4 different applications with 4 different code bases to support the major mobile platforms (IOS,Android,Windows,RIM). Mobile web will win out in the end.
- davidu 16y ago
  There will be a decentralized mobile web. SSL and CAs will eventually be done right and a trust model will exist to get apps from trusted sources. The amazon Android store is a fantastic first step. Amazon might not be the quality control police, but someone will step up to that plate. This is all moving in the right direction. It's just not there yet today, so no thanks. The carriers still have too much control.
michaelchisari 16y ago
Replying to say that I agree, and it baffles me as to why people are willing to put so much of their technology at the mercy of massive corporations they have no contract with. I might accept building tools for Facebook and Twitter in the interim, but if I were a third party developer, I'd be supporting the open alternatives (Appleseed, StatusNet, etc), if only out of hedging bets for the future. Also... Hello, David, I also worked at Electriciti in the late 90's, and remember you from back in the day. Sounds like things have gone well since then!
fooandbarify 16y ago
I know what you mean, but I think maybe understanding the risk is better than avoiding it entirely. Sure, Facebook and Twitter can change their APIs, Google could shut down Gmail, and the world could end tomorrow, but in the meantime I think there are cool things to be done. EDIT: Oops, I didn't see your follow-up until after I made my reply. You said what I am saying, but better.

by davidu 16y ago

davidu 16y ago

PS -- I use FB and Twitter a ton, and I love SmartTwitter. I've even sent some emails on behalf of SmartTwitter to folks I know who might be able to fix this issue. My point was simply that this will become par for the course, and you should expect and be okay with that if you are developing on OPP (other peoples platforms). And that might be fine. SkyMall is at the mercy of the airlines, but still makes an absolute killing and so they put up with it.

andrewljohnson 16y ago

My platform is mobile devices. I am happy to develop Android and iOS apps, and I feel like the companies who run these somewhat walled gardens play mostly fair. As an added bonus, they have provided me a way to make money. People who have found their success on the internet at large are my colleagues, but occasionally they are also arrogant in their views that anyone who doesn't make an HTML website is an idiot. These people's tunnel vision will hold them back their whole lives, and this character flaw is likely evidenced in other views they espouse.

pyre 16y ago
You don't have to 'code' HTML to avoid walled gardens.
- andrewljohnson 16y ago
  Usually when you put a word in quotes, you are quoting something. I didn't use the word 'code' at all.
  - knome 16y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
minalecs 16y ago
in all honesty I think the short sightedness is that .. this environment of developing 4 different applications with 4 different code bases to support the major mobile platforms (IOS,Android,Windows,RIM). Mobile web will win out in the end.
davidu 16y ago
There will be a decentralized mobile web. SSL and CAs will eventually be done right and a trust model will exist to get apps from trusted sources. The amazon Android store is a fantastic first step. Amazon might not be the quality control police, but someone will step up to that plate. This is all moving in the right direction. It's just not there yet today, so no thanks. The carriers still have too much control.

michaelchisari 16y ago

Replying to say that I agree, and it baffles me as to why people are willing to put so much of their technology at the mercy of massive corporations they have no contract with. I might accept building tools for Facebook and Twitter in the interim, but if I were a third party developer, I'd be supporting the open alternatives (Appleseed, StatusNet, etc), if only out of hedging bets for the future. Also... Hello, David, I also worked at Electriciti in the late 90's, and remember you from back in the day. Sounds like things have gone well since then!

fooandbarify 16y ago

I know what you mean, but I think maybe understanding the risk is better than avoiding it entirely. Sure, Facebook and Twitter can change their APIs, Google could shut down Gmail, and the world could end tomorrow, but in the meantime I think there are cool things to be done. EDIT: Oops, I didn't see your follow-up until after I made my reply. You said what I am saying, but better.