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> They are stating a widely held belief that many people agree with. Your reference material has a section titled Critiques of the human right to Internet acce

> They are stating a widely held belief that many people agree with. Your reference material has a section titled Critiques of the human right to Internet access. > If that's the case then ALL human rights are "quite weak" I believe the issue you bring up is mostly around peoples differing opinion on what a human right is, so I don't exactly disagree with you. I mostly have an issue with this new theme of everything being a "human right". At some point it will be a "human right" to own a Lamborghini and have someone feed me grapes while I lay by a pool (kinda sarcasm). > B) I don't think anyone said anything about forcing someone onto this network. If everyone left the network, then it would not exist. Therefore, a human right to the internet requires that people maintain the network.

rhacker 7y ago
> Your reference material has a section titled Critiques of the human right to Internet access. It also says 83% of the population generally agrees that it should be a right - which is why I said it was widely held. I didn't say it was an absolutely held belief. > I believe the issue you bring up is mostly around peoples differing opinion on what a human right is, so I don't exactly disagree with you. I mostly have an issue with this new theme of everything being a "human right". At some point it will be a "human right" to own a Lamborghini and have someone feed me grapes while I lay by a pool (kinda sarcasm). I'm not here to argue rights like lambos and grapes at the pool. To put internet access in that category is quite honestly disheartening. Having or NOT having internet access these days quite literally be the difference causing someone to lose a house, not get a job, not find legal help, be unaware of a disaster - this is not heard to imagine. I just can't put it in the category of grapes at the pool.
- jteppinette 7y ago
  > be the difference causing someone to lose a house, not get a job, not find legal help, be unaware of a disaster All of these problems can be solved without the internet. Also, access to the internet does not absolutely solve these problems.
  - rhacker 7y ago
    But it does help, right? I can say the same thing about wearing clothes (human right to have clothing) - I can get a job, not lose a house, find legal help, and be aware of a disaster if I was completely butt naked all the time. So you're argument is that because you CAN get through it, it's not necessary to call it a human right? Also owning clothes doesn't absolutely solve those problems either right?
  - jteppinette 7y ago
    @rhacker I don't think its a human right to have clothes though. I don't think anyone should be able to steal your clothes, but I don't think anyone should have to give you clothes either..
    - rhacker 7y ago
      > I don't think its a human right to have clothes though. I don't think anyone should be able to steal your clothes, but I don't think anyone should have to give you clothes either.. To think that a "human right to have clothes" means your clothes will be stolen or you will be forced to give clothes is pretty strange. If you are a developer lead at Apple I assume you pay taxes? Those Taxes are fundamentally supporting lots of initiatives like, giving homeless people clothes, food, housing. https://datalab.usaspending.gov/homelessness-analysis.html https://datalab.usaspending.gov/homelessness-analysis.html I'm going to take a quick guess that you don't think humans should have "any" rights? I could be wrong. If you enlighten me on what human rights you DO believe in, I can walk you through my argument a lot better.
      - jteppinette 7y ago
        Life, liberty, and property [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke-political/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke-political/]
      - jteppinette 7y ago
        Maybe I am strange lol
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rhacker 7y ago

> Your reference material has a section titled Critiques of the human right to Internet access. It also says 83% of the population generally agrees that it should be a right - which is why I said it was widely held. I didn't say it was an absolutely held belief. > I believe the issue you bring up is mostly around peoples differing opinion on what a human right is, so I don't exactly disagree with you. I mostly have an issue with this new theme of everything being a "human right". At some point it will be a "human right" to own a Lamborghini and have someone feed me grapes while I lay by a pool (kinda sarcasm). I'm not here to argue rights like lambos and grapes at the pool. To put internet access in that category is quite honestly disheartening. Having or NOT having internet access these days quite literally be the difference causing someone to lose a house, not get a job, not find legal help, be unaware of a disaster - this is not heard to imagine. I just can't put it in the category of grapes at the pool.

jteppinette 7y ago
> be the difference causing someone to lose a house, not get a job, not find legal help, be unaware of a disaster All of these problems can be solved without the internet. Also, access to the internet does not absolutely solve these problems.
- rhacker 7y ago
  But it does help, right? I can say the same thing about wearing clothes (human right to have clothing) - I can get a job, not lose a house, find legal help, and be aware of a disaster if I was completely butt naked all the time. So you're argument is that because you CAN get through it, it's not necessary to call it a human right? Also owning clothes doesn't absolutely solve those problems either right?
- jteppinette 7y ago
  @rhacker I don't think its a human right to have clothes though. I don't think anyone should be able to steal your clothes, but I don't think anyone should have to give you clothes either..
  - rhacker 7y ago
    > I don't think its a human right to have clothes though. I don't think anyone should be able to steal your clothes, but I don't think anyone should have to give you clothes either.. To think that a "human right to have clothes" means your clothes will be stolen or you will be forced to give clothes is pretty strange. If you are a developer lead at Apple I assume you pay taxes? Those Taxes are fundamentally supporting lots of initiatives like, giving homeless people clothes, food, housing. https://datalab.usaspending.gov/homelessness-analysis.html https://datalab.usaspending.gov/homelessness-analysis.html I'm going to take a quick guess that you don't think humans should have "any" rights? I could be wrong. If you enlighten me on what human rights you DO believe in, I can walk you through my argument a lot better.
    - jteppinette 7y ago
      Life, liberty, and property [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke-political/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke-political/]
    - jteppinette 7y ago
      Maybe I am strange lol
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