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According to the NASA the fires of this year are in the average so what exactly are they trying to achieve? Is this simply populism? https://earthobservatory.n

by ntnxw 7y ago

According to the NASA the fires of this year are in the average so what exactly are they trying to achieve? Is this simply populism? https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-bra... >As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years.

goda90 7y ago
Deforestation via slash and burn has been going on for years, but the rainforest isn't growing back at anywhere near the same rate(basically it's not growing back at all). Even if it is populism, what is wrong with finally taking action to curb that?
bbmario 7y ago
The reason Finland is doing this is the same why you are being down-voted for posting scientific data: political agenda. Science mostly doesn't matter, only when it fits your favorite narrative.
monkeymagic1982 7y ago
Europeans don't let science get in the way of groupthink or fucking over poorer countries for their own profit
- alkonaut 7y ago
  It’s obviously a reaction to recent fire “alarms” in media but the statistics doesn’t say that this is somehow natural or normal. It’s simply been just as bad for many years.
  - jansan 7y ago
    Then why is everyone blaming the current president?
sambal 7y ago
The Amazon basin is 2.1 million square miles, the (informed) worry seems to be directed mostly at the almost virgin State of Amazonas where fires are in line with the highest recorded since 2003?, per the Global Fire Emissions Database in your link. http://www.globalfiredata.org/forecast.html#amazonas http://www.globalfiredata.org/forecast.html#amazonas
amaccuish 7y ago
Isn't the problem that, yes, they're below average now (because we're not at the end of the year yet), but they shouldn't be so high at this time of the year, and the peak should come much later (I think August to October)? (I'm no expert on this!) Don't get me wrong, I think it's shitty that because of history, the US and the UK (I'm from the UK) got a headstart and polluted all they wanted. But the fact of the matter is, we know far more about the climate now, and such pollution simply can't happen now. I'd really like to see Western countries providing more funding for economic development in other countries, contributing to more green technologies etc, since a lot of their/our gains were by chance that we could pollute all we wanted 200 years ago. And not abusing globalisation and shitting on countries that don't fall for "free trade" which turns them in to low wage workers whilst the West enjoys the fruits of their labour. The thing is, when it comes to the environment, it affects everyone.
- speeder 7y ago
  I am from Brazil Amount of fire is... normal. About november (remember Brazil is south hemisphere) the humid season starts and the fires stop (even if people WANT to set stuff on fire it doesn't work, my SO is from Amazon state, according to her family except those months where the fire is possible, it is normal for it to rain every single day, sometimes multiple times per day... my SO misses the rain so much that she often opens rainymood.com )
- LTNBFU 7y ago
  This is correct, dry season will occur in a few months.
MirrorNext 7y ago
2004 and 2005 had a gigantic spike in deflorestation that is pulling the average up. So the data is a bit skewed.
kian 7y ago
Maybe more like a submarine aiming to clear a path for their own beef industry? https://medium.com/@FoodFromFinland/mouth-watering-finlands-meat-export-success-245a868a0beb https://medium.com/@FoodFromFinland/mouth-watering-finlands-...

by ntnxw 7y ago

goda90 7y ago

Deforestation via slash and burn has been going on for years, but the rainforest isn't growing back at anywhere near the same rate(basically it's not growing back at all). Even if it is populism, what is wrong with finally taking action to curb that?

bbmario 7y ago

The reason Finland is doing this is the same why you are being down-voted for posting scientific data: political agenda. Science mostly doesn't matter, only when it fits your favorite narrative.

monkeymagic1982 7y ago

Europeans don't let science get in the way of groupthink or fucking over poorer countries for their own profit

alkonaut 7y ago
It’s obviously a reaction to recent fire “alarms” in media but the statistics doesn’t say that this is somehow natural or normal. It’s simply been just as bad for many years.
- jansan 7y ago
  Then why is everyone blaming the current president?

sambal 7y ago

The Amazon basin is 2.1 million square miles, the (informed) worry seems to be directed mostly at the almost virgin State of Amazonas where fires are in line with the highest recorded since 2003?, per the Global Fire Emissions Database in your link. http://www.globalfiredata.org/forecast.html#amazonas http://www.globalfiredata.org/forecast.html#amazonas

amaccuish 7y ago

Isn't the problem that, yes, they're below average now (because we're not at the end of the year yet), but they shouldn't be so high at this time of the year, and the peak should come much later (I think August to October)? (I'm no expert on this!) Don't get me wrong, I think it's shitty that because of history, the US and the UK (I'm from the UK) got a headstart and polluted all they wanted. But the fact of the matter is, we know far more about the climate now, and such pollution simply can't happen now. I'd really like to see Western countries providing more funding for economic development in other countries, contributing to more green technologies etc, since a lot of their/our gains were by chance that we could pollute all we wanted 200 years ago. And not abusing globalisation and shitting on countries that don't fall for "free trade" which turns them in to low wage workers whilst the West enjoys the fruits of their labour. The thing is, when it comes to the environment, it affects everyone.

speeder 7y ago
I am from Brazil Amount of fire is... normal. About november (remember Brazil is south hemisphere) the humid season starts and the fires stop (even if people WANT to set stuff on fire it doesn't work, my SO is from Amazon state, according to her family except those months where the fire is possible, it is normal for it to rain every single day, sometimes multiple times per day... my SO misses the rain so much that she often opens rainymood.com )
LTNBFU 7y ago
This is correct, dry season will occur in a few months.

MirrorNext 7y ago

2004 and 2005 had a gigantic spike in deflorestation that is pulling the average up. So the data is a bit skewed.

kian 7y ago

Maybe more like a submarine aiming to clear a path for their own beef industry? https://medium.com/@FoodFromFinland/mouth-watering-finlands-meat-export-success-245a868a0beb https://medium.com/@FoodFromFinland/mouth-watering-finlands-...