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> Not well enough. Moderation on Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, and other sites is extremely subpar and plenty of people can get their recruitment efforts in. Fin

> Not well enough. Moderation on Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, and other sites is extremely subpar and plenty of people can get their recruitment efforts in. Find me three examples of actual white nationalists or child pornographers on YouTube. Every time someone makes this claim, I challenge them to substantiate it. Most of the time, people don't respond and the rest of the time people provide links to generic conservative channels that are anti-immigration, do not believe in the mutability of gender, etc. but are nowhere even remotely in the realm of believing in the supremacy of the white race or supporting the expulsion of non-whites from the country.

dragontamer 7y ago
I don't have a link, but you can trust me when I can say that I've had discussion with white-nationalists on Youtube. They gather around conspiracy-related videos. The "discussion" is mostly in the comments / private messages, not actually in the videos themselves. Its been a long time since I've actually hunted down white supremacist groups on Youtube, maybe things have changed. Follow enough conspiracy theorists, and you eventually get to comment-sections which are almost entirely composed of white-supremacists talking about nonsense. ------ With regards to child-porn, its less actual porn and more compromising positions (links to child gymnastics, children playing in pools with wet shirts, etc. etc.). Not actual porn, but its clearly sexual in nature (even if not originally intended). I'm sure you're well aware of the problem however, its been discussed to death. I'd rather not revisit that subject personally. In any case, the COMMENTs are the goldmine for child-pornographers. Its clear that they are sharing child-porn off Youtube. They just use Youtube as a methodology to find each other and communicate. Youtube comments are practically unmoderated. Youtube practically has no moderation on comments what-so-ever. ------ That's the thing about Youtube's recommendation engine: its really good at preventing people from seeing some groups. But if your Youtube history matches a profile (ex: child porn or white-supremacy), you actually find those groups rather quickly. It takes some effort to actually pull yourself into those groups however, and you taint your Youtube account history while doing so. So its not really something I like to do on a whim. Details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O13G5A5w5P0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O13G5A5w5P0 I know Youtube changed some stuff this year (fewer comments on gymnastic videos, high-school wrestling competitions, etc. etc), but its all automatic. Without actual moderation, the problem will only arise once again.
- manfredo 7y ago
  > I don't have a link, but you can trust me when I can say that I've had discussion with white-nationalists on Youtube. As usual, when challenged to back up the claim that YouTube hosts white nationalism and child pornographers the commenter fails to do so. At best you managed to show that some videos of kids had creepy comments, which YouTube promptly banned after it was brought to light. I recall this phenomenon, and YouTube's response was swift and decisive. So much so that many creators actually complained that YouTube was being too aggressive.
  - dragontamer 7y ago
    I NEVER claimed that Youtube "hosts" white nationalism. I said their moderation is subpar. Specifically, that white-nationalism COMMENTS are a problem.
    - manfredo 7y ago
      > How do you solve the problem of white-nationalists recruiting on this webpage? Well, you ban hate-speech. > The problem is that White-Nationalists can simply... go to Facebook... or Youtube... as recruitment grounds. The big websites aren't cooperating yet. This needs to be a systemic top-down effort, unified across the major websites. Sure sounds like you're saying YouTube and Facebook host white nationalist content to me. Saying that YouTube and Facebook are lax in kicking off white nationalists is still saying that they let white nationalists on their site. It's only after I challenged you to back up this claim that you pivoted to talking about comments.
      - dragontamer 7y ago
        > Sure sounds like you're saying YouTube and Facebook host white nationalist content to me. That's not my intent. You can take at my word, or leave it. Your choice. There's plenty of other issues we can talk about without getting wrapped up about this particular point. Youtube _comments_ are poorly moderated. Do you agree or disagree?

dragontamer 7y ago

I don't have a link, but you can trust me when I can say that I've had discussion with white-nationalists on Youtube. They gather around conspiracy-related videos. The "discussion" is mostly in the comments / private messages, not actually in the videos themselves. Its been a long time since I've actually hunted down white supremacist groups on Youtube, maybe things have changed. Follow enough conspiracy theorists, and you eventually get to comment-sections which are almost entirely composed of white-supremacists talking about nonsense. ------ With regards to child-porn, its less actual porn and more compromising positions (links to child gymnastics, children playing in pools with wet shirts, etc. etc.). Not actual porn, but its clearly sexual in nature (even if not originally intended). I'm sure you're well aware of the problem however, its been discussed to death. I'd rather not revisit that subject personally. In any case, the COMMENTs are the goldmine for child-pornographers. Its clear that they are sharing child-porn off Youtube. They just use Youtube as a methodology to find each other and communicate. Youtube comments are practically unmoderated. Youtube practically has no moderation on comments what-so-ever. ------ That's the thing about Youtube's recommendation engine: its really good at preventing people from seeing some groups. But if your Youtube history matches a profile (ex: child porn or white-supremacy), you actually find those groups rather quickly. It takes some effort to actually pull yourself into those groups however, and you taint your Youtube account history while doing so. So its not really something I like to do on a whim. Details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O13G5A5w5P0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O13G5A5w5P0 I know Youtube changed some stuff this year (fewer comments on gymnastic videos, high-school wrestling competitions, etc. etc), but its all automatic. Without actual moderation, the problem will only arise once again.

manfredo 7y ago
> I don't have a link, but you can trust me when I can say that I've had discussion with white-nationalists on Youtube. As usual, when challenged to back up the claim that YouTube hosts white nationalism and child pornographers the commenter fails to do so. At best you managed to show that some videos of kids had creepy comments, which YouTube promptly banned after it was brought to light. I recall this phenomenon, and YouTube's response was swift and decisive. So much so that many creators actually complained that YouTube was being too aggressive.
- dragontamer 7y ago
  I NEVER claimed that Youtube "hosts" white nationalism. I said their moderation is subpar. Specifically, that white-nationalism COMMENTS are a problem.
  - manfredo 7y ago
    > How do you solve the problem of white-nationalists recruiting on this webpage? Well, you ban hate-speech. > The problem is that White-Nationalists can simply... go to Facebook... or Youtube... as recruitment grounds. The big websites aren't cooperating yet. This needs to be a systemic top-down effort, unified across the major websites. Sure sounds like you're saying YouTube and Facebook host white nationalist content to me. Saying that YouTube and Facebook are lax in kicking off white nationalists is still saying that they let white nationalists on their site. It's only after I challenged you to back up this claim that you pivoted to talking about comments.
    - dragontamer 7y ago
      > Sure sounds like you're saying YouTube and Facebook host white nationalist content to me. That's not my intent. You can take at my word, or leave it. Your choice. There's plenty of other issues we can talk about without getting wrapped up about this particular point. Youtube _comments_ are poorly moderated. Do you agree or disagree?