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I'm so confused... We're talking about speaking out on political/social issues at work. My position is that I'm fine with it (and I think Google should suppor

I'm so confused... We're talking about speaking out on political/social issues at work. My position is that I'm fine with it (and I think Google should support it to some extent) assuming that it is relevant to the actions of the employer or working conditions. You bring up the NFL. The exact quote is >Brings to mind the attitude of "shutup and play ball" when sports athletes try to use their platforms for some aspect of social change or another. Obviously people are going to assume you're talking about what began with Colin Kaepernick taking a knee during the anthem. I point out how that is different because it does not directly relate to the NFL. You then bring up three examples of 'protests' (because they're not even protests, they're internal disputes): >Kenny Stills and Trump donations Agreed, this is relevant. >Antonio Brown and helmet guideline policies. We're talking about helmets now and this is somehow a "social issue" (It's not. Really, it's not.) >Seattle Seahawks player Michael Bennett, in addition to protesting criminal justice inequalities, directly protested his team and how the league was, at the time, addressing and handling player safety Those two things have nothing to do with each other. One is relevant, one is not. Honestly at this point I think you're either confused or a troll.

dvtrn 7y ago
So not only are you taking statements and removing them from the necessary context to understand WHY I drew the comparison I did, you’re continuing to launch personal attacks in place of forming a more cogent disagreement. Good day.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Wow you went through quite a few edits before the reply link popped up for me. I didn't take anything out of context. The entire reply was >So Google employees are supposed to just shut up or leave? >An important question, I think. It would seem some think they should, and some probably think they should do both. >Brings to mind the attitude of "shutup and play ball" when sports athletes try to use their platforms for some aspect of social change or another. >An attitude I find personally disheartening, but I'll stop there because these discussions never end well. That changes exactly... nothing. You're impossible to talk to. The funny thing is, I don't even think we fundamentally disagree on anything material here. The bit you had about your prediction of how "this wouldn't end well" is a "prophecy" as you put it, but one of the self fulfilling types. Have a good one.

dvtrn 7y ago

So not only are you taking statements and removing them from the necessary context to understand WHY I drew the comparison I did, you’re continuing to launch personal attacks in place of forming a more cogent disagreement. Good day.

EpicEng 7y ago
Wow you went through quite a few edits before the reply link popped up for me. I didn't take anything out of context. The entire reply was >So Google employees are supposed to just shut up or leave? >An important question, I think. It would seem some think they should, and some probably think they should do both. >Brings to mind the attitude of "shutup and play ball" when sports athletes try to use their platforms for some aspect of social change or another. >An attitude I find personally disheartening, but I'll stop there because these discussions never end well. That changes exactly... nothing. You're impossible to talk to. The funny thing is, I don't even think we fundamentally disagree on anything material here. The bit you had about your prediction of how "this wouldn't end well" is a "prophecy" as you put it, but one of the self fulfilling types. Have a good one.