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So this is a stick, but where's the carrot? All these countries that are complaining about the burning forest - why don't they pony up some cash and pay Brazil
by vosper 7y ago
So this is a stick, but where's the carrot?
All these countries that are complaining about the burning forest - why don't they pony up some cash and pay Brazil not to burn it down?
If the Amazon is the "lungs of the world" then surely between all the countries of the world (or, just a few, or just one rich one) we could make it worth their while to keep the forest intact.
- shados 7y agoI mean, the Brazilians will suffer too when the lack of Amazon forest starts fucking the world up. With that said, yes, 100% agree that we should just pay them to stop the bleeding. That forest is worth more than money. We can figure out a better solution later.
- ikll 7y agoEurope did pay. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-norway/norway-stops-amazon-fund-contribution-in-dispute-with-brazil-idUSKCN1V52C9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-norway... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/16/norway-halts-amazon-fund-donation-dispute-brazil-deforestation-jair-bolsonaro https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/16/norway-halts-a...
- shados 7y agoI was more thinking if a bunch of first world countries got together and put up an amount of money that Brazil can't possibly give up on.
- ikll 7y agoWell, for what it's worth, according to the articles it amounted to billions of dollars. It was supposed to be used to police the area for deforestation, fires and other things. As a Brazilian I disagree that other countries should be paying us anything, we should sort those problems by ourselves.
- shados 7y agoFor sure, I don't disagree with you, but I dont think the world can wait for those problems to be solved.
- ikll 7y agoOh, that's for sure. However I think there's a huge incentive problem here: The people who stand to gain from foreign money coming to "save Amazon" (Brazil's general population) is not the same people who stand to gain from its destruction (businesspeople). Second, a large chunk of the current government ideologically believe there's nothing wrong with deforestation, or deny it, or deny climate change. Hell, some of them are flat-earthers. It is common in the Brazilian right to associate environmental causes (include climate change) with leftists, and the current Brazilian government treats the left (any kind of left) as the worst possible enemies. So a sure-fire way of not being heard by the right is... talking about environmental causes/climate change. So, in the end it should really be an astonishing amount to make sense for the current government to change its course.
- ikll 7y agoThey used to pay billions of dollars according to this article. It is called Amazon Fund. However Norway and German halted the payments because Bolsonaro doesn't agree with them on how to curb the deforestation and the fires. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-norway/norway-stops-amazon-fund-contribution-in-dispute-with-brazil-idUSKCN1V52C9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-norway... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/16/norway-halts-amazon-fund-donation-dispute-brazil-deforestation-jair-bolsonaro https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/16/norway-halts-a...
- gldalmaso 7y agoThere is an Amazon Fund. https://www.dw.com/en/no-need-for-german-amazon-aid-brazils-bolsonaro/a-49988862 https://www.dw.com/en/no-need-for-german-amazon-aid-brazils-...