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https://www.newsweek.com/cathay-ceo-refused-name-hong-kong-protesters-chinese-government-named-himself-instead-resigned-1455371 https://www.newsweek.com/cathay-

https://www.newsweek.com/cathay-ceo-refused-name-hong-kong-protesters-chinese-government-named-himself-instead-resigned-1455371 https://www.newsweek.com/cathay-ceo-refused-name-hong-kong-p... > The Taiwan News claimed that Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg's decision to resign last week came after he refused to name names to the Chinese government when he was asked to provide a list of employees who were involved in the Hong Kong protests. > China's Civil Aviation Administration ordered Cathay to provide a list of employees who were involved in a recent protest. He was also ordered to suspend the employees. According to the Taiwan News, Hogg provided the list—but it included only one name: his own. > His resignation was first announced by CCTV, China's state-run television station, 30 minutes before Cathay Pacific announced Hogg had stepped down.

wendyshu 7y ago
(Some say this version of events is an untrue rumor.)
- FabHK 7y ago
  Yeah, I'd love to see some independent verification of this story. It's lovely, ben trovato, but I have seen it only sourced to some dodgy WhatsApp groups or Facebook posts or so. It is certainly not inconceivable, and frankly, if it's true, the fact that Hogg doesn't go around and flaunt it makes me think even more highly of him. But I just don't know whether it's true.
  - groundlogic 7y ago
    I'd think that he'd say something if it was false.
    - FabHK 7y ago
      Good point. I'd have responded that it has never been reported "properly", but then, Newsweek, one should hope, is pretty proper. Let's see.
- alteria 7y ago
  It's definitely something that many wish was true, which is why it's being spread so widely.
  - groundlogic 7y ago
    There's also no credible denial.
    - hktruth 7y ago
      No incentive for Hogg to deny it, makes him look good.
      - groundlogic 7y ago
        How about your Civil Aviation Administration making an official statement that it didn't ask Hogg for this list as a starter?
        dragonwriter 7y ago
        Even if they didn't, they might welcome the chilling effect that comes with the unconfirmed belief that they might have.
- metaphorical 7y ago
  Who is "some"?
  - groundlogic 7y ago
    People loyal to the CCP.
  - wendyshu 7y ago
    The first hit on Google for "Rupert Hogg" gives a HK journalist claiming the story is a canard.
    - groundlogic 7y ago
      Jack Ma's and SCMP's neutrality is a bit up in the air at the moment, I feel. Last time I looked at that story it was just trying to sow doubt, without any evidence to the contrary. I'm sure you'd inform us in great detail if that had changed.
      - wbl 7y ago
        Jack Ma is a party member SCMP is a mainland propaganda organ.
      - wendyshu 7y ago
        I literally said "some say". Chill out. I totally agree the SCMP is biased.
hktruth 7y ago
I think Hogg had to resign anyway, regardless of the unverified claim from Newsweek and Taiwan news. A pilot was arrested for rioting: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3020736/hong-kong-protesters-riot-charges-set-be-released-bail-some https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3020736... An employee leaked the itinerary of members of the HK Police force: https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/cathay-pacific-staff-leaks-travel-itinerary-of-hk-police-football-teams-trip-to-chengdu-in-whatsapp-group/ https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/cathay-pacific-staff-leaks-travel... Social media videos of Cathay Pacific staff involved in protests, shouting, arguing, etc. This damaged the brand. The Swire Group (British) owns 50% of Cathay Pacific. The airline needs domestic routes to stay in business. The CEO failed to maintain calm and discipline among staff, bringing Cathay Pacific into disrepute. So the owners and the board of directors decided to act. Before the CEO resigned, the company sacked "four members of Cathay staff for taking part in, or in relation to, the demonstrations gripping Hong Kong" https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/3023129/rupert-hogg-resigns-ceo-cathay-pacific-airways https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/302312... The board also wrote: > recent events have called into question Cathay Pacific’s commitment to flight safety and security and put our reputation and brand under pressure. This is regrettable as we have always made safety and security our highest priority. https://news.cathaypacific.com/cathay-pacific-announces-senior-management-changes-254471# https://news.cathaypacific.com/cathay-pacific-announces-seni...
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- llIIlIlIllIIlIl 7y ago
  Trying to bury every single thought that doesn't perfectly conform with the common narrative is unscalable and will only serve to amplify the counter-narrative. I see this happening everywhere in relation to the unrest in HK. Ideally, ideas should be discussed on their merit and in the light of day. When faced with what is perceived as dissent, strong counter arguments should be made instead of shutting down discourse. In my opinion, this censorious attitude will be damaging to the pro-democracy movement’s cause in the long term. EDIT: response to jeremysalwen’s comment below since it seems my comments are either being rate limited or filtered. > If the 50 cent army ever came to HN, it would look like the above two comments. Thank you. I could not have asked for a better example of what I meant than your comment. I've seen variants of this type of comment repeated everywhere on HN and Reddit to shut down legitimate discourse. I have only made extremely neutral comments, and yet here I am feeling like I’m being surrounded by a suspicious lynch mob. If you think turning every exchange of ideas into the Spanish Inquisition is the best way to support the plight of the protestors then I’d disagree, but that’s your prerogative. Also, if an echo chamber is what people want HN to be, I can live with that. I just think it’d be a pity because I enjoy reading discussions with a diversity of opinion - more specifically, I enjoy reading high quality responses to actual dissenters, not unsubstantiated witch-hunting or low effort dismissals to every ‘threat’ real or imagined.

wendyshu 7y ago

(Some say this version of events is an untrue rumor.)

FabHK 7y ago
Yeah, I'd love to see some independent verification of this story. It's lovely, ben trovato, but I have seen it only sourced to some dodgy WhatsApp groups or Facebook posts or so. It is certainly not inconceivable, and frankly, if it's true, the fact that Hogg doesn't go around and flaunt it makes me think even more highly of him. But I just don't know whether it's true.
- groundlogic 7y ago
  I'd think that he'd say something if it was false.
  - FabHK 7y ago
    Good point. I'd have responded that it has never been reported "properly", but then, Newsweek, one should hope, is pretty proper. Let's see.
alteria 7y ago
It's definitely something that many wish was true, which is why it's being spread so widely.
- groundlogic 7y ago
  There's also no credible denial.
  - hktruth 7y ago
    No incentive for Hogg to deny it, makes him look good.
    - groundlogic 7y ago
      How about your Civil Aviation Administration making an official statement that it didn't ask Hogg for this list as a starter?
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        Even if they didn't, they might welcome the chilling effect that comes with the unconfirmed belief that they might have.
metaphorical 7y ago
Who is "some"?
- groundlogic 7y ago
  People loyal to the CCP.
- wendyshu 7y ago
  The first hit on Google for "Rupert Hogg" gives a HK journalist claiming the story is a canard.
  - groundlogic 7y ago
    Jack Ma's and SCMP's neutrality is a bit up in the air at the moment, I feel. Last time I looked at that story it was just trying to sow doubt, without any evidence to the contrary. I'm sure you'd inform us in great detail if that had changed.
    - wbl 7y ago
      Jack Ma is a party member SCMP is a mainland propaganda organ.
    - wendyshu 7y ago
      I literally said "some say". Chill out. I totally agree the SCMP is biased.

hktruth 7y ago

I think Hogg had to resign anyway, regardless of the unverified claim from Newsweek and Taiwan news. A pilot was arrested for rioting: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3020736/hong-kong-protesters-riot-charges-set-be-released-bail-some https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3020736... An employee leaked the itinerary of members of the HK Police force: https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/cathay-pacific-staff-leaks-travel-itinerary-of-hk-police-football-teams-trip-to-chengdu-in-whatsapp-group/ https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/cathay-pacific-staff-leaks-travel... Social media videos of Cathay Pacific staff involved in protests, shouting, arguing, etc. This damaged the brand. The Swire Group (British) owns 50% of Cathay Pacific. The airline needs domestic routes to stay in business. The CEO failed to maintain calm and discipline among staff, bringing Cathay Pacific into disrepute. So the owners and the board of directors decided to act. Before the CEO resigned, the company sacked "four members of Cathay staff for taking part in, or in relation to, the demonstrations gripping Hong Kong" https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/3023129/rupert-hogg-resigns-ceo-cathay-pacific-airways https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/302312... The board also wrote: > recent events have called into question Cathay Pacific’s commitment to flight safety and security and put our reputation and brand under pressure. This is regrettable as we have always made safety and security our highest priority. https://news.cathaypacific.com/cathay-pacific-announces-senior-management-changes-254471# https://news.cathaypacific.com/cathay-pacific-announces-seni...

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llIIlIlIllIIlIl 7y ago
Trying to bury every single thought that doesn't perfectly conform with the common narrative is unscalable and will only serve to amplify the counter-narrative. I see this happening everywhere in relation to the unrest in HK. Ideally, ideas should be discussed on their merit and in the light of day. When faced with what is perceived as dissent, strong counter arguments should be made instead of shutting down discourse. In my opinion, this censorious attitude will be damaging to the pro-democracy movement’s cause in the long term. EDIT: response to jeremysalwen’s comment below since it seems my comments are either being rate limited or filtered. > If the 50 cent army ever came to HN, it would look like the above two comments. Thank you. I could not have asked for a better example of what I meant than your comment. I've seen variants of this type of comment repeated everywhere on HN and Reddit to shut down legitimate discourse. I have only made extremely neutral comments, and yet here I am feeling like I’m being surrounded by a suspicious lynch mob. If you think turning every exchange of ideas into the Spanish Inquisition is the best way to support the plight of the protestors then I’d disagree, but that’s your prerogative. Also, if an echo chamber is what people want HN to be, I can live with that. I just think it’d be a pity because I enjoy reading discussions with a diversity of opinion - more specifically, I enjoy reading high quality responses to actual dissenters, not unsubstantiated witch-hunting or low effort dismissals to every ‘threat’ real or imagined.