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I begrudgingly cited wikipedia, but there's enough in there to show, at the very least, that Cuba has a better healthcare system than the USA. Cuba is desperat

I begrudgingly cited wikipedia, but there's enough in there to show, at the very least, that Cuba has a better healthcare system than the USA. Cuba is desperately poor, like most post-colonial countries. Despite this, Cuba has: [1] - a greater life expectancy than the usa. - more hospital beds per capita than the USA. - more than double the number of physicians per capita than the usa. The list goes on. Communism works in theory, but in practise the CIA spends trillions of dollars making sure it doesn't. And even then it puts them to shame. The only way Cuba's way of doing things, not their embargo-induced circumstances, is sub-par is if you toy with the fascist idea that not everybody deserves basic human rights like healthcare. BTW, this is across industries like healthcare, education etc. The war on Cuba is the same one waged on the poor in America. [1] https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Cuba/United-States/Health https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Cuba/Unite...

vinceguidry 7y ago
I'm not going to wade into the muddy waters of trying to argue that Communism doesn't work at all, but rather to point out that a) the CIA doesn't have 'trillions' of dollars to throw around, and b) the American embargo doesn't prevent Cuba from making trade deals with other nations. It just prevents them from drinking from the teat of American foreign aid and access to limitless American markets and investment. The US has enough soft power to make Cuba's life difficult on the international plane but it can't render Cuba impotent. If Cubans need to flee to the US for a chance at a better life that's the fault of Cuba's atrocious institutions and politics making opportunity impossible to find. The CIA is an organization with tens of thousands of people in it and Cuba is a country with millions. The CIA has to spread its 15 billion dollar budget all over the world, while Cuba is free to spend its 50 billion dollar revenues on whatever she wants.
- seamyb88 7y ago
  And I'll stop wading through the waters of arguing with somebody void of the history of the topic. After I point out that the CIA made hundreds of attempts to assassinate Castro. You seem to be missing a whole portion of the story. So all I have for you now is, you are wrong.
  - vinceguidry 7y ago
    Fine by me but can I point out before you leave that your points keep wandering. First it's "trillions" of dollars, when challenged, you say I know nothing of the history and state what just about anyone knows, that the CIA has attempted to assassinate Castro. I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. Cuba does not have a world-class medical industry, it's not a better place to live than the US, people do not flee the US to live in Cuba. Do I think the embargoes should end? Yes. Do I think the US interfered with Cuba's politics? Yes. Am I going to play a weird shell game with where I try to figure out what point you're trying to make? No. Cuba's a hellhole, we didn't make it that way, Castro was more than capable of doing that all by himself. He certainly was capable of resisting hundreds of assassination attempts, if indeed Escalante's 638 number referred to actual attempts.
    - seamyb88 7y ago
      Manufacture your own victory if you wish. No better way than to nitpick an estimated figure in a quip, which incidentally is a correct one. I could suggest your next move: claim that I didn't mean spending over decades and imply I meant all in one day. Britain, the U.S., a selection of European countries, Russia , Israel and allies have fucked the world for the benefits of their elites. But, please, another anecdote about how people don't flee the USA (despite the glaringly obvious ramifications of wealth distribution on infrastructure). I conjecture that your inability to fathom my point is not my problem.

vinceguidry 7y ago

I'm not going to wade into the muddy waters of trying to argue that Communism doesn't work at all, but rather to point out that a) the CIA doesn't have 'trillions' of dollars to throw around, and b) the American embargo doesn't prevent Cuba from making trade deals with other nations. It just prevents them from drinking from the teat of American foreign aid and access to limitless American markets and investment. The US has enough soft power to make Cuba's life difficult on the international plane but it can't render Cuba impotent. If Cubans need to flee to the US for a chance at a better life that's the fault of Cuba's atrocious institutions and politics making opportunity impossible to find. The CIA is an organization with tens of thousands of people in it and Cuba is a country with millions. The CIA has to spread its 15 billion dollar budget all over the world, while Cuba is free to spend its 50 billion dollar revenues on whatever she wants.

seamyb88 7y ago
And I'll stop wading through the waters of arguing with somebody void of the history of the topic. After I point out that the CIA made hundreds of attempts to assassinate Castro. You seem to be missing a whole portion of the story. So all I have for you now is, you are wrong.
- vinceguidry 7y ago
  Fine by me but can I point out before you leave that your points keep wandering. First it's "trillions" of dollars, when challenged, you say I know nothing of the history and state what just about anyone knows, that the CIA has attempted to assassinate Castro. I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. Cuba does not have a world-class medical industry, it's not a better place to live than the US, people do not flee the US to live in Cuba. Do I think the embargoes should end? Yes. Do I think the US interfered with Cuba's politics? Yes. Am I going to play a weird shell game with where I try to figure out what point you're trying to make? No. Cuba's a hellhole, we didn't make it that way, Castro was more than capable of doing that all by himself. He certainly was capable of resisting hundreds of assassination attempts, if indeed Escalante's 638 number referred to actual attempts.
  - seamyb88 7y ago
    Manufacture your own victory if you wish. No better way than to nitpick an estimated figure in a quip, which incidentally is a correct one. I could suggest your next move: claim that I didn't mean spending over decades and imply I meant all in one day. Britain, the U.S., a selection of European countries, Russia , Israel and allies have fucked the world for the benefits of their elites. But, please, another anecdote about how people don't flee the USA (despite the glaringly obvious ramifications of wealth distribution on infrastructure). I conjecture that your inability to fathom my point is not my problem.