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>Great, so now on top of all the other $#!% farmers have to deal with they also need to be concerned their going to get blood cancer. So what is the suggested a

>Great, so now on top of all the other $#!% farmers have to deal with they also need to be concerned their going to get blood cancer. So what is the suggested alternative? Farmers can't just not use weed killer. They need an effective weed killer and it has to be cheap. I really don't think this should have been downvoted to hell. We spend every Monsanto thread talking about how bad the company is and I think we can all agree at this point that the company would be best off dead. However, there are still very real farmers out there who need real solutions to avoid going bankrupt. Why can't we talk about all the good weedkiller companies that we should be buying from?

wnevets 7y ago
How was farming possible prior to the cancer causing weed killer being created?
- thebooktocome 7y ago
  Buckets of free/cheap labor that no longer exists in much of the world.
- iamvik 7y ago
  However it was done, we have much higher productivity requirements nowadays.
  - superpermutat0r 7y ago
    Much higher productivity demands for luxury products. If we want back to produce a variety of direct human edible vegetables the productivity would not be necessary at all. When you're raising corn, soybean and wheat for cattle then it's obviously a much bigger higher order problem.
- cwp 7y ago
  80% of the population spent their lives in extreme poverty, toiling in the fields from sunup to sundown.
  - ocschwar 7y ago
    You can thank the McCormick Reaper for putting that to an end. No need for Roundup.
  - wnevets 7y ago
    I had no idea roundup was that old and revolutionary
  - strainer 7y ago
    This common outlook of pre-industrial farming is actually contested, eg. [1] > One of capitalism's most durable myths is that it has reduced human toil. This myth is typically defended by a comparison of the modern forty-hour week with its seventy- or eighty-hour counterpart in the nineteenth century. The implicit -- but rarely articulated -- assumption is that the eighty-hour standard has prevailed for centuries. The comparison conjures up the dreary life of medieval peasants, toiling steadily from dawn to dusk. We are asked to imagine the journeyman artisan in a cold, damp garret, rising even before the sun, laboring by candlelight late into the night. These images are backward projections of modern work patterns. And they are false... [1]https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_...
- gandalfian 7y ago
  You can till/plough mechanically destroying the weeds but eroding the soil or you can use Weedkiller instead. But it is hard to use neither and maintain yields.
ocschwar 7y ago
> However, there are still very real farmers out there who need real solutions to avoid going bankrupt The financial risk for farmers comes primarily from having to compete with farmers who are resorting to these dangerous products. And there's an easy way to address that.
Circuits 7y ago
"I really don't think this should have been downvoted to hell." Um... as far as I can tell my post received no down votes lol

wnevets 7y ago

How was farming possible prior to the cancer causing weed killer being created?

thebooktocome 7y ago
Buckets of free/cheap labor that no longer exists in much of the world.
iamvik 7y ago
However it was done, we have much higher productivity requirements nowadays.
- superpermutat0r 7y ago
  Much higher productivity demands for luxury products. If we want back to produce a variety of direct human edible vegetables the productivity would not be necessary at all. When you're raising corn, soybean and wheat for cattle then it's obviously a much bigger higher order problem.
cwp 7y ago
80% of the population spent their lives in extreme poverty, toiling in the fields from sunup to sundown.
- ocschwar 7y ago
  You can thank the McCormick Reaper for putting that to an end. No need for Roundup.
- wnevets 7y ago
  I had no idea roundup was that old and revolutionary
- strainer 7y ago
  This common outlook of pre-industrial farming is actually contested, eg. [1] > One of capitalism's most durable myths is that it has reduced human toil. This myth is typically defended by a comparison of the modern forty-hour week with its seventy- or eighty-hour counterpart in the nineteenth century. The implicit -- but rarely articulated -- assumption is that the eighty-hour standard has prevailed for centuries. The comparison conjures up the dreary life of medieval peasants, toiling steadily from dawn to dusk. We are asked to imagine the journeyman artisan in a cold, damp garret, rising even before the sun, laboring by candlelight late into the night. These images are backward projections of modern work patterns. And they are false... [1]https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_...
gandalfian 7y ago
You can till/plough mechanically destroying the weeds but eroding the soil or you can use Weedkiller instead. But it is hard to use neither and maintain yields.

ocschwar 7y ago

> However, there are still very real farmers out there who need real solutions to avoid going bankrupt The financial risk for farmers comes primarily from having to compete with farmers who are resorting to these dangerous products. And there's an easy way to address that.

Circuits 7y ago

"I really don't think this should have been downvoted to hell." Um... as far as I can tell my post received no down votes lol