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The worst part about the 4-hour body is how inconsistent Ferriss is. Are you support to take PAGG 3x a day? Why does he only take it once or twice when he detai

The worst part about the 4-hour body is how inconsistent Ferriss is. Are you support to take PAGG 3x a day? Why does he only take it once or twice when he details his hour-by-hour schedule? The second worst part about the 4-hour body is how much bullshit he fills the pages with. His section on jumping higher (for me, a major selling point of the book) is totally worthless and difficult-to-follow. (A few black and white diagrams did not do it for me... I would have preferred a workout routine.) Mostly he just spends the pages waxing poetic about some sexy ex-NFL gym trainer, and then he talks about how he set the one-day record at his gym for improving vertical leap. The third is that it's just very difficult to distill any practical information from the book. Man, I just want ONE workout plan, ONE meal plan, and they don't want to think about the rest of it. In order to properly synthesize the 4HB you'd have to do a lot of research, bring a healthy sense of skepticism, and basically spend a lot of time. I don't want to think! I want someone trustworthy to tell me SAFE things I can do that will more or less bring me results. But it motivated me to buy a caliper, and measure regularly, so I guess that's pretty good. And maybe I'll start stocking up on Brazil nuts. P.S. I am vegan.

SHOwnsYou 16y ago
The one day record for vertical leap improvement? Not a metric anyone keeps track of. Maybe he beat it because one was never set prior to that. Or perhaps he gamed the system. But most importantly, there are virtually no long term gains you can realize in a day that will increase your vertical leap. I hate to rag on the guy, but this just sounds ridiculous.
- lsc 16y ago
  >there are virtually no long term gains you can realize in a day that will increase your vertical leap. Eh, I'd bet you five bucks that if you measured my leap now, then had someone who knew what the hell they were doing show me proper form, maybe walk me through it a few times, you'd see a pretty radical improvement within the hour. Not, of course, due to any sort of muscular growth, but instead because I imagine my current vertical leap form is horrible, and you can usually get pretty good gains out of that sort of thing just by doing it correctly.
  - SHOwnsYou 16y ago
    I'll take the bet, though it ultimately proves nothing. Just because you learn whatever proper technique is needed (if any) for vertical jump and can kind of emulate it the same day does not mean you've realized long term gains. It only means you've memorized some technical points. Will you actually internalize those techniques? If you were randomly tested later would you still have those gains? Not only that, it also has nothing to do with my point -- The vertical leap parts of the book aren't him telling people to learn proper technique; They are based around strength gains. And I stand by my point that he didn't "bulk up" in the morning and then jump higher that afternoon, as the book would imply.
    - lsc 16y ago
      >Just because you learn whatever proper technique is needed (if any) for vertical jump and can kind of emulate it the same day does not mean you've realized long term gains. It only means you've memorized some technical points. If you are trying to jump higher and not become more generally fit, I disagree. Memorizing some technical points /can/ bring long term gains to various physical activities. Learning to squat properly, for example, massively decreases the chance of injury long-term. >The vertical leap parts of the book aren't him telling people to learn proper technique; They are based around strength gains. And I stand by my point that he didn't "bulk up" in the morning and then jump higher that afternoon, as the book would imply. this, I agree with completely. My only point was that even short periods of time spent learning the proper form can greatly improve performance and results. Those technical points, quite often, mean significantly better performance and a significant decrease in injury. You are of course right that you aren't going to work out one day and end up significantly stronger the same day. I don't know anything about training for the vertical leap; perhaps form is completely intuitive, and training brings no same-day gains. But, for example, cross country skiing? a few hours of lessons can massively boost performance of someone who is completely untrained, not because it makes you stronger, but because there is a skill to moving efficiently on Skis.
- rprasad 16y ago
  I set the 5-second record for vertical leap improvement at my gym, the day they added the trampoline.
allwein 16y ago
I thought the PAGG data was pretty clear. I have it down as AGG before breakfast, lunch, and dinner and then PAGG before bedtime. I'll have to go look again to confirm, but that's what I wrote down when making my personal supplement/meal schedule from the book.
- zackattack 16y ago
  the theory was clear. the problem is that he is inconsistent about taking it/using it, which makes me highly doubt its credibility/safety
allwein 16y ago
Addressing your third point, I had a lot of trouble with this as well, especially since I'm trying to do the same thing as you, put together both a workout plan and a meal plan (in my case to aid weight loss). This sounds like an opportunity for somebody to read carefully through the book and generate a bunch of one-sheet summaries.

SHOwnsYou 16y ago

The one day record for vertical leap improvement? Not a metric anyone keeps track of. Maybe he beat it because one was never set prior to that. Or perhaps he gamed the system. But most importantly, there are virtually no long term gains you can realize in a day that will increase your vertical leap. I hate to rag on the guy, but this just sounds ridiculous.

lsc 16y ago
>there are virtually no long term gains you can realize in a day that will increase your vertical leap. Eh, I'd bet you five bucks that if you measured my leap now, then had someone who knew what the hell they were doing show me proper form, maybe walk me through it a few times, you'd see a pretty radical improvement within the hour. Not, of course, due to any sort of muscular growth, but instead because I imagine my current vertical leap form is horrible, and you can usually get pretty good gains out of that sort of thing just by doing it correctly.
- SHOwnsYou 16y ago
  I'll take the bet, though it ultimately proves nothing. Just because you learn whatever proper technique is needed (if any) for vertical jump and can kind of emulate it the same day does not mean you've realized long term gains. It only means you've memorized some technical points. Will you actually internalize those techniques? If you were randomly tested later would you still have those gains? Not only that, it also has nothing to do with my point -- The vertical leap parts of the book aren't him telling people to learn proper technique; They are based around strength gains. And I stand by my point that he didn't "bulk up" in the morning and then jump higher that afternoon, as the book would imply.
  - lsc 16y ago
    >Just because you learn whatever proper technique is needed (if any) for vertical jump and can kind of emulate it the same day does not mean you've realized long term gains. It only means you've memorized some technical points. If you are trying to jump higher and not become more generally fit, I disagree. Memorizing some technical points /can/ bring long term gains to various physical activities. Learning to squat properly, for example, massively decreases the chance of injury long-term. >The vertical leap parts of the book aren't him telling people to learn proper technique; They are based around strength gains. And I stand by my point that he didn't "bulk up" in the morning and then jump higher that afternoon, as the book would imply. this, I agree with completely. My only point was that even short periods of time spent learning the proper form can greatly improve performance and results. Those technical points, quite often, mean significantly better performance and a significant decrease in injury. You are of course right that you aren't going to work out one day and end up significantly stronger the same day. I don't know anything about training for the vertical leap; perhaps form is completely intuitive, and training brings no same-day gains. But, for example, cross country skiing? a few hours of lessons can massively boost performance of someone who is completely untrained, not because it makes you stronger, but because there is a skill to moving efficiently on Skis.
rprasad 16y ago
I set the 5-second record for vertical leap improvement at my gym, the day they added the trampoline.

allwein 16y ago

I thought the PAGG data was pretty clear. I have it down as AGG before breakfast, lunch, and dinner and then PAGG before bedtime. I'll have to go look again to confirm, but that's what I wrote down when making my personal supplement/meal schedule from the book.

zackattack 16y ago
the theory was clear. the problem is that he is inconsistent about taking it/using it, which makes me highly doubt its credibility/safety

allwein 16y ago

Addressing your third point, I had a lot of trouble with this as well, especially since I'm trying to do the same thing as you, put together both a workout plan and a meal plan (in my case to aid weight loss). This sounds like an opportunity for somebody to read carefully through the book and generate a bunch of one-sheet summaries.