>> if asked to do so, will make some movements that are roughly aligned with the goal, albeit may be laughable to more knowledgeable people Yeah, and the sad t

>> if asked to do so, will make some movements that are roughly aligned with the goal, albeit may be laughable to more knowledgeable people Yeah, and the sad thing is that you will probably end up trying to raise your car against one of the non-structural frames which will subsequently tear off a panel or two. What you are measuring here is the skill of speculating.