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Quote: "Protesters are demanding greater democracy and an inquiry into alleged police brutality during past demonstrations." Jesus, do Donie O'Sullivan and Kev

Quote: "Protesters are demanding greater democracy and an inquiry into alleged police brutality during past demonstrations." Jesus, do Donie O'Sullivan and Kevin Collier, article authors even have a slight idea what HK protests are about? Those protests started to oppose a bill regarding extraditing to mainland China. Later on as the tension and police brutality escalated those points were added. Here is the 5 points the protesters are demanding now: 1- the bill must be withdrawn (this was the initial motive for protests) 2- the chief executive must resign (he ordered to police to start retaliatons) 3- the government must retract its characterisation of the violent clashes as “riots” 4- there must be a full independent inquiry into the actions of the police 5- everyone arrested in respect of the clashes must be unconditionally freed.

cwkoss 7y ago
CNN is no longer a reliable news source.
joshuamorton 7y ago
I'd consider the extradition bill not-very-democratic, doubly so in the HK is a somewhat autonomous zone, so forcing extradition reduces it's autonomy and therefore it's citizens' democracy. So how is this false?
- mytailorisrich 7y ago
  Currently Hongkong has extradition treaties with many countries, but none with 'China' (Macao, Taiwan, mainland), which is a historical legacy but is now an oddity. Extradition treaties in general do not reduce autonomy and democracy. Extraditions under this bill would follow (I believe) similar procedures to extradition to other countries. The key worries, I believe, are that charges brought on the mainland might be fabricated and political because of the nature of the system there (absence of independent judiciary) and that pressure could also be applied on Hongkong authorities not to deny these requests, or simply that the procedure is such that Hongkong courts don't have much scope to refuse requests.

cwkoss 7y ago

CNN is no longer a reliable news source.

joshuamorton 7y ago

I'd consider the extradition bill not-very-democratic, doubly so in the HK is a somewhat autonomous zone, so forcing extradition reduces it's autonomy and therefore it's citizens' democracy. So how is this false?

mytailorisrich 7y ago
Currently Hongkong has extradition treaties with many countries, but none with 'China' (Macao, Taiwan, mainland), which is a historical legacy but is now an oddity. Extradition treaties in general do not reduce autonomy and democracy. Extraditions under this bill would follow (I believe) similar procedures to extradition to other countries. The key worries, I believe, are that charges brought on the mainland might be fabricated and political because of the nature of the system there (absence of independent judiciary) and that pressure could also be applied on Hongkong authorities not to deny these requests, or simply that the procedure is such that Hongkong courts don't have much scope to refuse requests.