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And the phone-makers defense was that the phones were not tested the same way they test in their lab in order to produce a result that meets the standard. This

by dwd 7y ago

And the phone-makers defense was that the phones were not tested the same way they test in their lab in order to produce a result that meets the standard. This smacks of the same real-world failure that brought down Volkswagen. If you don't hold the phone in just the right way to activate the proximity sensor it exceeds the safe limit.

yoz-y 7y ago
From the articles about article (since the original is not available in EU): - FCC requires the test to be done at a distance no larger than 25mm - Apple tests their devices at 5mm - Chicago Tribune did the tests at 5 and 2mm, the 5mm test is marginally different from what manufacturers report. What I find weird is that the test is not completely standardized and that it is allowed for manufacturers to self report? When we needed to have some Ingress Protection markings we had to go through a certified body.
- pwinnski 7y ago
  Not allowing manufacturers to self-report means staffing up dramatically, and there is no will from anyone to balloon the number of government employees for things like this.
ldoughty 7y ago
In a way this is worse .... We've gone decades with no one even trying to check these results. And the phones are approved with "faith" the business wouldn't lie for profit. The FCC should be testing the major phones and a random sampling to ensure companies don't just lie on the paperwork.
- dwd 7y ago
  The debate about radiation from cell/mobile phones simply refuses to go away. We had decades of denial that smoking wasn't slowly killing us, burning hydrocarbons wasn't a problem, using glyphosate was fine, and more recently that vaping is safe. The track records of profit maximising corporations really doesn't lend itself to giving them the benefit of doubt here either. What this has highlighted is that the testing that kept pushing the debate out further is sounding like a sham. It doesn't address that people carry their phone in their pockets, and many don't hold it the prescribed way when they use them. The manufacturers' tests would also be conducted in places with excellent coverage, not the worst case situation where you're only getting one bar.

by dwd 7y ago

yoz-y 7y ago

From the articles about article (since the original is not available in EU): - FCC requires the test to be done at a distance no larger than 25mm - Apple tests their devices at 5mm - Chicago Tribune did the tests at 5 and 2mm, the 5mm test is marginally different from what manufacturers report. What I find weird is that the test is not completely standardized and that it is allowed for manufacturers to self report? When we needed to have some Ingress Protection markings we had to go through a certified body.

pwinnski 7y ago
Not allowing manufacturers to self-report means staffing up dramatically, and there is no will from anyone to balloon the number of government employees for things like this.

ldoughty 7y ago

In a way this is worse .... We've gone decades with no one even trying to check these results. And the phones are approved with "faith" the business wouldn't lie for profit. The FCC should be testing the major phones and a random sampling to ensure companies don't just lie on the paperwork.

dwd 7y ago
The debate about radiation from cell/mobile phones simply refuses to go away. We had decades of denial that smoking wasn't slowly killing us, burning hydrocarbons wasn't a problem, using glyphosate was fine, and more recently that vaping is safe. The track records of profit maximising corporations really doesn't lend itself to giving them the benefit of doubt here either. What this has highlighted is that the testing that kept pushing the debate out further is sounding like a sham. It doesn't address that people carry their phone in their pockets, and many don't hold it the prescribed way when they use them. The manufacturers' tests would also be conducted in places with excellent coverage, not the worst case situation where you're only getting one bar.