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OT: Unavailable in Europe. Why? Cause they can’t life without data hoarding. The internet is more and more getting a strange place.

by salzig 7y ago

iagovar 7y ago
I use outline for this purpose: https://outline.com/9qR95f https://outline.com/9qR95f
uptown 7y ago
This post really drives that point home: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20776191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20776191
- fastball 7y ago
  yeah, but it's on the NYT... who also use a lot of tracking.
  - uptown 7y ago
    Yup. The article mentions that and also that news sites are among the worst offenders.
enriquto 7y ago
This is not OT. The information of the post is voluntarily made unavailable to hundreds of millions of people because of the offensive reasons.
- sokoloff 7y ago
  I don't know if I find the cumbersome EU regulations on foreign site operators offensive; they're just annoying and if there isn't enough revenue coming in from European visitors to justify the investment in even understanding the EU regulations, voluntarily restricting the content seems reasonable. (I'm facing something similar for an admittedly hobby/side project. I'm not interested in tracking users, probably won't even be selling 3rd party ads, but I just can't be bothered to figure out what I'd need to do to make it EU-compliant, so I'm much more likely to use my limited time to figure out how to block EU visitors.)
  - enriquto 7y ago
    Just to be clear, I did not mean that the EU regulations are offensive, but that refusal to even serve your site without tracking is. A website, by default, is available everywhere. That they go to great lengths to exclude certain people based on ip geolocation is extremely offensive.
  - moreira 7y ago
    Easy: Don't collect/store personal data without opt-in consent (which I think is totally reasonable). Like... if it's your hobby website and you don't store personal data without telling your users about what you're storing and what you're doing with that data... you're fine. Also if they ask you "what data do you have on me?" and "can you delete the data you have on me?", you respond and respect their request like a reasonable human being - it's their data after all. It's... really just not a big deal for small-time projects. The whole total compliance thing is a CYA thing but in reality even if you did anything wrong, you'd be contacted about it first in order to resolve it. You could then deal with whatever issue came up (didn't tell users about X? start telling them.) and move on with your life. It's only if you ignored warnings and kept being shady that it'd escalate.
    - sokoloff 7y ago
      If their data happened to end up in any of my backups... If their IP address happened to be in an archived log file... At some point, the cognitive, operational, and risk burden of serving the EU can easily exceed the value of doing so.

OT: Unavailable in Europe. Why? Cause they can’t life without data hoarding. The internet is more and more getting a strange place.

by salzig 7y ago

OT: Unavailable in Europe. Why? Cause they can’t life without data hoarding. The internet is more and more getting a strange place.

iagovar 7y ago

I use outline for this purpose: https://outline.com/9qR95f https://outline.com/9qR95f

uptown 7y ago

This post really drives that point home: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20776191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20776191

fastball 7y ago
yeah, but it's on the NYT... who also use a lot of tracking.
- uptown 7y ago
  Yup. The article mentions that and also that news sites are among the worst offenders.

enriquto 7y ago

This is not OT. The information of the post is voluntarily made unavailable to hundreds of millions of people because of the offensive reasons.

sokoloff 7y ago
I don't know if I find the cumbersome EU regulations on foreign site operators offensive; they're just annoying and if there isn't enough revenue coming in from European visitors to justify the investment in even understanding the EU regulations, voluntarily restricting the content seems reasonable. (I'm facing something similar for an admittedly hobby/side project. I'm not interested in tracking users, probably won't even be selling 3rd party ads, but I just can't be bothered to figure out what I'd need to do to make it EU-compliant, so I'm much more likely to use my limited time to figure out how to block EU visitors.)
- enriquto 7y ago
  Just to be clear, I did not mean that the EU regulations are offensive, but that refusal to even serve your site without tracking is. A website, by default, is available everywhere. That they go to great lengths to exclude certain people based on ip geolocation is extremely offensive.
- moreira 7y ago
  Easy: Don't collect/store personal data without opt-in consent (which I think is totally reasonable). Like... if it's your hobby website and you don't store personal data without telling your users about what you're storing and what you're doing with that data... you're fine. Also if they ask you "what data do you have on me?" and "can you delete the data you have on me?", you respond and respect their request like a reasonable human being - it's their data after all. It's... really just not a big deal for small-time projects. The whole total compliance thing is a CYA thing but in reality even if you did anything wrong, you'd be contacted about it first in order to resolve it. You could then deal with whatever issue came up (didn't tell users about X? start telling them.) and move on with your life. It's only if you ignored warnings and kept being shady that it'd escalate.
  - sokoloff 7y ago
    If their data happened to end up in any of my backups... If their IP address happened to be in an archived log file... At some point, the cognitive, operational, and risk burden of serving the EU can easily exceed the value of doing so.