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When it says gtk is "really really ugly", is it referring to API or UI? I wrote a small app with it and I am happy with the result. https://github.com/cosarara/

When it says gtk is "really really ugly", is it referring to API or UI? I wrote a small app with it and I am happy with the result. https://github.com/cosarara/fucking-weeb https://github.com/cosarara/fucking-weeb

megous 7y ago
Gtk+ also has a lot of thrid party components. They may not be that discoverable, though. But you can look through a typical deps of a GNOME distribution to find some.
blattimwind 7y ago
> When it says gtk is "really really ugly", is it referring to API or UI? Both? Mostly the former? Largely the latter (depending on plattform)?
- rumanator 7y ago
  Aesthetically speaking, GTK is not ugly. Check Ubuntu 18.04 which adopted gnome3, thus has a Gtk+ UI.
  - blattimwind 7y ago
    "(depending on platform)" ... you are naming the one platform Gtk+ properly supports.
    - rumanator 7y ago
      I've demonstrated that Gtk+ is not ugly, and you don't get to claim it is if you choose to develop ugly applications with Gtk+.
      - lilyball 7y ago
        If you're doing cross-platform GUIs, "it looks good on Linux!" is not a compelling argument.
  - Polyisoprene 7y ago
    GTK still has extreme padding and wasted screen real estate around texts, images, lists and other component. Making a slim version and better designed UIs would probably make a lot of difference.
    - i80and 7y ago
      That's due to the GNOME HIG, which I agree is ugly. But GTK+ itself will render whatever padding you ask for.
      - Polyisoprene 7y ago
        It existed before Gnome and I’ve not yet seen any GTK interface that doesn’t seem like a slightly better looking Motif UI.
    - vetinari 7y ago
      On you typical laptop 14" FHD display, exactly this padding and sizing looks great (at @1x), while at 14" 1600x900 it still looks very good. Sure, on 1376x768 it looks terrible.
  - timw4mail 7y ago
    With default theming, GTK+2 looks like a bad ripoff of Windows 9x. (It's quite ugly, but not quite as bad as FLTK) GTK+3 has much better default theming.
    - cosarara 7y ago
      GTK+2 has been obsolete for almost a decade now.
      - ChickeNES 7y ago
        Unfortunately there's still a lot of legacy apps out there, and others where the dev unfortunately picked GTK2 despite 3 being available. Not to mention some GTK3 apps not including the proper themes
throwaway8941 7y ago
>I then also have to remember what's the last episode I watched I find it quite funny how many complicated solutions to this problem there are. I simply stick a bunch of symlinks to whatever shows I am currently watching and remove them one by one. 20 line bash script + 1 minute configuring the file manager integration.
- rezeroed 7y ago
  I've done similar to replace my todo list - a directory of symlinks with numeric prefixes for ordering.
- idoubtit 7y ago
  Alternative solution for keeping track of where you stopped watching series : watch them with mpv. If you quit with "Q" instead of "q", it will remember the position. Then, whenever you launch mpv, it checks if one of the files is in its list of positions (using absolute realpaths). mpv series/* Q # continue from where I stopped mpv series/*
- Crinus 7y ago
  Back when i was using iMac as my "watch" computer, i was simply changing the text background color of whatever i was watching to green in Finder. The feature to tag and color any file is really something that i miss in Explorer (in Explorer you can edit tags if the file format supports it and Explorer knows about it, but this only works for some file formats and even then the UI is cumbersome).
  - kitsunesoba 7y ago
    The Finder’s color labeling feature has been useful for decades now, having been around since the early 90s iterations of the Mac OS. I don’t know why other file managers never picked it up; it deviates too far away from “Windows Explorer clone” I guess?
- jcelerier 7y ago
  >I then also have to remember what's the last episode I watched ... I generally just look in the "recent files" menu of my mediaplayer ? Also, many players are able to remember the last position in a file so if you open a file and are at the end...
z0mbie42 7y ago
To the UI, too far from modern applications. I also heard that the API have some misfit with Rust ownership model: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20368618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20368618
heavenlyblue 7y ago
I just don’t watch shows for which I can’t remember where I stopped :)

megous 7y ago

Gtk+ also has a lot of thrid party components. They may not be that discoverable, though. But you can look through a typical deps of a GNOME distribution to find some.

blattimwind 7y ago

> When it says gtk is "really really ugly", is it referring to API or UI? Both? Mostly the former? Largely the latter (depending on plattform)?

rumanator 7y ago
Aesthetically speaking, GTK is not ugly. Check Ubuntu 18.04 which adopted gnome3, thus has a Gtk+ UI.
- blattimwind 7y ago
  "(depending on platform)" ... you are naming the one platform Gtk+ properly supports.
  - rumanator 7y ago
    I've demonstrated that Gtk+ is not ugly, and you don't get to claim it is if you choose to develop ugly applications with Gtk+.
    - lilyball 7y ago
      If you're doing cross-platform GUIs, "it looks good on Linux!" is not a compelling argument.
- Polyisoprene 7y ago
  GTK still has extreme padding and wasted screen real estate around texts, images, lists and other component. Making a slim version and better designed UIs would probably make a lot of difference.
  - i80and 7y ago
    That's due to the GNOME HIG, which I agree is ugly. But GTK+ itself will render whatever padding you ask for.
    - Polyisoprene 7y ago
      It existed before Gnome and I’ve not yet seen any GTK interface that doesn’t seem like a slightly better looking Motif UI.
  - vetinari 7y ago
    On you typical laptop 14" FHD display, exactly this padding and sizing looks great (at @1x), while at 14" 1600x900 it still looks very good. Sure, on 1376x768 it looks terrible.
- timw4mail 7y ago
  With default theming, GTK+2 looks like a bad ripoff of Windows 9x. (It's quite ugly, but not quite as bad as FLTK) GTK+3 has much better default theming.
  - cosarara 7y ago
    GTK+2 has been obsolete for almost a decade now.
    - ChickeNES 7y ago
      Unfortunately there's still a lot of legacy apps out there, and others where the dev unfortunately picked GTK2 despite 3 being available. Not to mention some GTK3 apps not including the proper themes

throwaway8941 7y ago

>I then also have to remember what's the last episode I watched I find it quite funny how many complicated solutions to this problem there are. I simply stick a bunch of symlinks to whatever shows I am currently watching and remove them one by one. 20 line bash script + 1 minute configuring the file manager integration.

rezeroed 7y ago
I've done similar to replace my todo list - a directory of symlinks with numeric prefixes for ordering.
idoubtit 7y ago
Alternative solution for keeping track of where you stopped watching series : watch them with mpv. If you quit with "Q" instead of "q", it will remember the position. Then, whenever you launch mpv, it checks if one of the files is in its list of positions (using absolute realpaths). mpv series/* Q # continue from where I stopped mpv series/*
Crinus 7y ago
Back when i was using iMac as my "watch" computer, i was simply changing the text background color of whatever i was watching to green in Finder. The feature to tag and color any file is really something that i miss in Explorer (in Explorer you can edit tags if the file format supports it and Explorer knows about it, but this only works for some file formats and even then the UI is cumbersome).
- kitsunesoba 7y ago
  The Finder’s color labeling feature has been useful for decades now, having been around since the early 90s iterations of the Mac OS. I don’t know why other file managers never picked it up; it deviates too far away from “Windows Explorer clone” I guess?
jcelerier 7y ago
>I then also have to remember what's the last episode I watched ... I generally just look in the "recent files" menu of my mediaplayer ? Also, many players are able to remember the last position in a file so if you open a file and are at the end...

z0mbie42 7y ago

To the UI, too far from modern applications. I also heard that the API have some misfit with Rust ownership model: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20368618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20368618

heavenlyblue 7y ago

I just don’t watch shows for which I can’t remember where I stopped :)