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You talk negatively about the protests with broad accusations, but without bringing facts to back them up. I really wish I hadn't to counter this. > It's immat
by madez 7y ago
You talk negatively about the protests with broad accusations, but without bringing facts to back them up. I really wish I hadn't to counter this.
> It's immaterial in these protests as it is a manifestation of despair due to economic reality and worsening living conditions without a hope of revival.
The protest started because of the extradition law. Then, due to police brutality against the protestors, the demands widened to these areas.
I question your truthfulness. Was Hong Kong in economic despair? And is that the reason for the protest?
Also, the economy will take a hit because of the protests, so after some time there will be an effect visible. But be honest here, and don't mix up cause and symptom. Also, even if the economy of Hong Kong suffered, you have yet to show that the protests are because of that.
Furthermore, you claim there is "[no] hope of a revival". Well, if the Chinese communist regime works on making them suffer, it will be more difficult to prosper, but without that there is no reason why they shouldn't have success. It's a red flag that you make this claim.
> Extradition treaty require local competent court to make a decision whether to extradite or not. But For majority of protestors it is immaterial because the perception is that Hong Kong do not have a decent judiciary or legal system, it works at the whims of China (again a perception created by few). So the actual discussion no one wants to discuss or hear.
Edward Snowden went initially to Hong Kong because of the high independence and quality of their court system.
I want to hear discussion, after all I'm here because of that, but I don't want to hear echoed propaganda.
Your third point is an attack on the protestors. The AfD in Germany did something like that at a demonstration of children for measures against climate change. They asked them highly specific question regarding the actual percentage of CO2 in the air. Most got them wrong, and the AfD used that to devalue the protestors and the protest.
It is obviously clear that you do not need to understand the details to have a valid political demand that you can voice in a demonstration and protests. Insinuating otherwise is another red flag.
Can you even acknowledge a single demand the protestors are making?
- dragonsh 7y agoI have yet to see a discourse or manifesto about real issues in Hong Kong, instead of arbitrary demands with one line statements which always change. Economic frustration of the young population in Hong Kong is widely reported including parking size apartments, and this is one of the underlying reason for protests. [1][2][3][4] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/22/world/asia/hong-kong-housing-inequality.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/22/world/asia/ho... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-20/for-young-hong-kongers-the-rent-is-too-high-and-the-workweek-too-long https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-20/for-young... [3] https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-38623439 https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-a... [4] https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/02/24/democracy-isnt-enough-hong-kong-needs-a-living-wage/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/02/24/democracy-isnt-enough-...
- yellowapple 7y ago> I have yet to see a discourse or manifesto about real issues in Hong Kong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_anti-extradition_bill_protests#Objectives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_anti-extraditio... : > Complete withdrawal of the extradition bill from the legislative process > Retraction of the "riot" characterisation > Release and exoneration of arrested protesters > Establishment of an independent commission of inquiry into police conduct and use of force during the protests > Resignation of Carrie Lam and the implementation of universal suffrage for Legislative Council and Chief Executive elections Those are all real issues in Hong Kong right now. Note how economic conditions are not in that list.