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Singapore already has an excellent public transport system (such as the electrified subway & light rail), so the "threatening the oil and gas industry" theory d

Singapore already has an excellent public transport system (such as the electrified subway & light rail), so the "threatening the oil and gas industry" theory doesn't make sense. Owning a private vehicle is in fact usually a status symbol there. Source https://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/31/asia/singapore-cars/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/31/asia/singapore-cars/index...

dzhiurgis 7y ago
So what. Just because they have good public transport system they don't seem to be urging to ban cars. Cars will exist and it's way better to have them electric than gasoline. They don't seem to be in any urge to get electric buses either.
- Barrin92 7y ago
  >They don't seem to be in any urge to get electric buses either. In that very article we are commenting on is a photo of an autonomous electric bus being tested at Nanyang university and as the article points out they're planning to build out an extensive bus and train network throughout the city up until 2040, to shorten any trip from A to b down to 45 minutes. Singapore is very much in the e-mobility business, they're just not in the habit of encouraging every citizen to carry around two tons of steel wherever they go.
- Arnt 7y ago
  Uhm, Singapore not banning cars? Wasn't there some news recently... and the top search result is https://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=377d8c25-638e-4f53-956e-53fd1a43e67c https://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=377d8c25-6..., which starts "In line with Singapore’s move towards a car-lite society, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) will introduce" and goes on to describe with various new rules. Singapore is also one of the places where paying money isn't enough to buy a car. You have to purchase a license to drive that car, which currently costs about €25000 for a ten-year, one-car license, and you have to show that license when you buy the car. https://dollarsandsense.sg/complete-guide-buying-car-singapore/ https://dollarsandsense.sg/complete-guide-buying-car-singapo... FYI.
- ElKrist 7y ago
  "Cars will exist and it's way better to have them electric than gasoline." If we're talking about direct air pollution in cities I agree. For climate change, I mostly disagree: With an electrical car you're starting with a CO2 debt for the production of the battery. Then, if you want to offset this debt, you have to use the car frequently and be in an area where the electricity production does not generate much CO2. There are not many areas like this yet (France, Sweden being the famous examples).
  - chewz 7y ago
    > If we're talking about direct air pollution in cities I agree. What about PM2.5? Do EVs do not use breaks and tires?
    - snovv_crash 7y ago
      Regenerative braking cuts these down a lot.
    - raaaaraaaa2 7y ago
      brakes ? rarely I am sure that tires (in the city where is majority of cars electric) will not cause PM2.5 mayhem :) Also VW prepares this technology : https://www.motor1.com/news/346653/brake-dust-particle-filter-spied/ https://www.motor1.com/news/346653/brake-dust-particle-filte...
      - rootusrootus 7y ago
        Tires generate a lot more particulate matter than brakes do, like 95% or so.
    - kwhitefoot 7y ago
      Tyres yes, brakes not so much. The brakes are needed only to come to a complete stop, most normal braking is handled by running the motor as a generator to dump the energy back into the battery.
    - VBprogrammer 7y ago
dragonsh 7y ago
I mentioned the same in another comment about public transport and car prices. Given very high COE cost which allows people to have a car for 10 years and to pay for new COE to renew. A COE can range from SG$ 32,000 to SG$76,000 or higher depending on demand. But focus on public transport is one thing, still there is a large automobile market with related oil and gas related automobile industry. Moving to EV will threaten them and related jobs.
- notahacker 7y ago
  Singapore's oil refining industry isn't threatened by some of the few COE owners switching to Teslas. The government would be much more bothered by the idea their public might expect non-polluting personal vehicles to be made more affordable and available, and the resulting implications for traffic
- mkl 7y ago
  For those confused, COE = Certificate of Entitlement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_Entitlement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_Entitlement "The Certificate of Entitlement or COE is the quota licence received from a successful winning bid in an open bid uniform price auction which grants the legal right of the holder to register, own and use a vehicle in Singapore for a period of 10 years. When demand is high, the cost of a COE can exceed the value of the car itself."

dzhiurgis 7y ago

So what. Just because they have good public transport system they don't seem to be urging to ban cars. Cars will exist and it's way better to have them electric than gasoline. They don't seem to be in any urge to get electric buses either.

Barrin92 7y ago
>They don't seem to be in any urge to get electric buses either. In that very article we are commenting on is a photo of an autonomous electric bus being tested at Nanyang university and as the article points out they're planning to build out an extensive bus and train network throughout the city up until 2040, to shorten any trip from A to b down to 45 minutes. Singapore is very much in the e-mobility business, they're just not in the habit of encouraging every citizen to carry around two tons of steel wherever they go.
Arnt 7y ago
Uhm, Singapore not banning cars? Wasn't there some news recently... and the top search result is https://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=377d8c25-638e-4f53-956e-53fd1a43e67c https://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=377d8c25-6..., which starts "In line with Singapore’s move towards a car-lite society, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) will introduce" and goes on to describe with various new rules. Singapore is also one of the places where paying money isn't enough to buy a car. You have to purchase a license to drive that car, which currently costs about €25000 for a ten-year, one-car license, and you have to show that license when you buy the car. https://dollarsandsense.sg/complete-guide-buying-car-singapore/ https://dollarsandsense.sg/complete-guide-buying-car-singapo... FYI.
ElKrist 7y ago
"Cars will exist and it's way better to have them electric than gasoline." If we're talking about direct air pollution in cities I agree. For climate change, I mostly disagree: With an electrical car you're starting with a CO2 debt for the production of the battery. Then, if you want to offset this debt, you have to use the car frequently and be in an area where the electricity production does not generate much CO2. There are not many areas like this yet (France, Sweden being the famous examples).
- chewz 7y ago
  > If we're talking about direct air pollution in cities I agree. What about PM2.5? Do EVs do not use breaks and tires?
  - snovv_crash 7y ago
    Regenerative braking cuts these down a lot.
  - raaaaraaaa2 7y ago
    brakes ? rarely I am sure that tires (in the city where is majority of cars electric) will not cause PM2.5 mayhem :) Also VW prepares this technology : https://www.motor1.com/news/346653/brake-dust-particle-filter-spied/ https://www.motor1.com/news/346653/brake-dust-particle-filte...
    - rootusrootus 7y ago
      Tires generate a lot more particulate matter than brakes do, like 95% or so.
  - kwhitefoot 7y ago
    Tyres yes, brakes not so much. The brakes are needed only to come to a complete stop, most normal braking is handled by running the motor as a generator to dump the energy back into the battery.
  - VBprogrammer 7y ago

dragonsh 7y ago

I mentioned the same in another comment about public transport and car prices. Given very high COE cost which allows people to have a car for 10 years and to pay for new COE to renew. A COE can range from SG$ 32,000 to SG$76,000 or higher depending on demand. But focus on public transport is one thing, still there is a large automobile market with related oil and gas related automobile industry. Moving to EV will threaten them and related jobs.

notahacker 7y ago
Singapore's oil refining industry isn't threatened by some of the few COE owners switching to Teslas. The government would be much more bothered by the idea their public might expect non-polluting personal vehicles to be made more affordable and available, and the resulting implications for traffic
mkl 7y ago
For those confused, COE = Certificate of Entitlement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_Entitlement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_Entitlement "The Certificate of Entitlement or COE is the quota licence received from a successful winning bid in an open bid uniform price auction which grants the legal right of the holder to register, own and use a vehicle in Singapore for a period of 10 years. When demand is high, the cost of a COE can exceed the value of the car itself."