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The most realistic game available to the public right now is Arma 3. Which is is built on the same system as the military variant VBS3. We use VBS3 in the Iris

The most realistic game available to the public right now is Arma 3. Which is is built on the same system as the military variant VBS3. We use VBS3 in the Irish Defence Forces (and I know many other militaries are using it also) and its capabilities are just incredible in terms of realism. It lets you build and run so many different scenarios and they have done a great job of getting minor details to work very well. It will never replace full live training but at the same time it lets you practice over and over again to maximise your time in the field (and also do things that costs, equipment etc would not allow for.)

Der_Einzige 7y ago
And yet Arma 3 is pathetically unrealistic. The fact that Picture-In-Picture scopes are so rare even within the game's assets shows a certain contempt for realism. I've never had to load bullets into my magazine one by one in Arma before. I've had to do that plenty of times in Escape from Tarkov. Red Orchestra also has more realistic scopes and gun mechanics.
- secfirstmd 7y ago
  Ok so to clarify VBS3. The individual soldier stuff is so-so. There isn't much training benefit to a soldier from loading a virtual magazine. There is however when something like VBS3 allows them to practice being a JTAC over their lunch break. The really advanced bits are the range of equipment, combined operations and realistic scenarios you can create for it. Wanna recreate a local village, throw in realistic civilians and adversaries, match your convoy and run drills with multiple land, sea and air assets? No problem, easily done.
  - mntmoss 7y ago
    It's a good illustration of the difference between consumer products and simulators. What reads as authentic to consumers is the moment-to-moment aesthetics like how guns handle or whether there's a percievable "stat" being modeled. The actual scenarios can be implausible or eliminate an inconvenient-but-important element, but if the overall experience repeatedly hits on the belief structure, it gets the "realism" moniker. As a training tool, what matters is the big picture of how it supports key skills, conveys specific technical information, and enables new kinds of exercises to take place. A lot of consumer boardgames are great at developing strategic thinking even though their material is unrelated to any specific warfighting skill and the technical detail has been streamlined out; the reduction pushes the players to grapple with the consequences of every single move and play as far ahead as possible, often resorting to diplomatic options(deception or coalition-building) to get an advantage. Likewise most simulation tools do not require total simulation at fidelity, they need only the elements relevant to the training, so they can be incomplete as a portrayed experience of the scenario.
- bschwindHN 7y ago
  > And yet Arma 3 is pathetically unrealistic I beg to differ! https://imgur.com/gallery/UJGbDoc https://imgur.com/gallery/UJGbDoc

Der_Einzige 7y ago

And yet Arma 3 is pathetically unrealistic. The fact that Picture-In-Picture scopes are so rare even within the game's assets shows a certain contempt for realism. I've never had to load bullets into my magazine one by one in Arma before. I've had to do that plenty of times in Escape from Tarkov. Red Orchestra also has more realistic scopes and gun mechanics.

secfirstmd 7y ago
Ok so to clarify VBS3. The individual soldier stuff is so-so. There isn't much training benefit to a soldier from loading a virtual magazine. There is however when something like VBS3 allows them to practice being a JTAC over their lunch break. The really advanced bits are the range of equipment, combined operations and realistic scenarios you can create for it. Wanna recreate a local village, throw in realistic civilians and adversaries, match your convoy and run drills with multiple land, sea and air assets? No problem, easily done.
- mntmoss 7y ago
  It's a good illustration of the difference between consumer products and simulators. What reads as authentic to consumers is the moment-to-moment aesthetics like how guns handle or whether there's a percievable "stat" being modeled. The actual scenarios can be implausible or eliminate an inconvenient-but-important element, but if the overall experience repeatedly hits on the belief structure, it gets the "realism" moniker. As a training tool, what matters is the big picture of how it supports key skills, conveys specific technical information, and enables new kinds of exercises to take place. A lot of consumer boardgames are great at developing strategic thinking even though their material is unrelated to any specific warfighting skill and the technical detail has been streamlined out; the reduction pushes the players to grapple with the consequences of every single move and play as far ahead as possible, often resorting to diplomatic options(deception or coalition-building) to get an advantage. Likewise most simulation tools do not require total simulation at fidelity, they need only the elements relevant to the training, so they can be incomplete as a portrayed experience of the scenario.
bschwindHN 7y ago
> And yet Arma 3 is pathetically unrealistic I beg to differ! https://imgur.com/gallery/UJGbDoc https://imgur.com/gallery/UJGbDoc