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If you want to break the law, then of course anything is possible. In any case, all you are doing by pirating is telling the media companies how badly you want

If you want to break the law, then of course anything is possible. In any case, all you are doing by pirating is telling the media companies how badly you want their product. That is going to tell them to fight harder against piracy. The only ethical option IMHO is to crowd-fund and pay people directly to create content.

dudul 7y ago
I feel like you're saying the opposite actually. You don't value their product enough to actually pay for it. It's available on TPB? Well, sure I'll watch it, why not. No torrent? Too bad, I'll just watch something else.
- redwall_hp 7y ago
  We have more options for entertainment than ever. More shows are produced by more studios, we have plenty of foreign options like anime or BBC shows instead of being limited to our region, video games compete for attention, and there's been a huge explosion of independent things online. Some people just sit and watch things on YouTube. What hasn't increased? An individual's time and attention. There are a finite number of hours in the day. Static demand, increased supply and an unwillingness to pay the asking price. That sounds like pretty simple economics to me.
  - cannonedhamster 7y ago
    Yeah, but content producers still haven't realized that our time is more valuable than their usually garbage product, their product is overvalued, and no one feels bad about pirating because copyright is so fundamentally broken by the same content providers that the contract between the public and producers has been totally violated.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Entertainment still isn't a commodity, though. Just because there are hundreds of sci-fi movies and TV shows, doesn't mean I can pick up any of them and enjoy it as much as one that I wanted to that wasn't available. If I really want to watch, say, Star Trek movies and Continuum TV show, then if CBS decides to pull the Star Trek movies from Netflix and spin off their own streaming service doesn't mean I'll just find something else on Netflix, or that I'll subscribe to CBS too; I'll keep watching Continuum on Netflix and head to TPB for the missing movies. If movie studios want to stop piracy, they have to stop being so greedy. Streaming services shouldn't be allowed to get exclusive licensing deals on movies/shows. The market would sort itself out and people would be able to watch all they needed from one or two services whose UI they most like. (And honestly, UI should be unbundled too. Streaming service's crappy four-button player can't beat VLC.)
- la_barba 7y ago
  > You don't value their product enough to actually pay for it. It's available on TPB? Well, sure I'll watch it, why not. No torrent? Too bad, I'll just watch something else. I don't buy that argument. Its analogous to saying if Windows was not available on pirate platforms people would "just" switch to Linux. People making content are very very good at keeping people hooked. It partially explains all the people who binge watch on Netflix..

dudul 7y ago

I feel like you're saying the opposite actually. You don't value their product enough to actually pay for it. It's available on TPB? Well, sure I'll watch it, why not. No torrent? Too bad, I'll just watch something else.

redwall_hp 7y ago
We have more options for entertainment than ever. More shows are produced by more studios, we have plenty of foreign options like anime or BBC shows instead of being limited to our region, video games compete for attention, and there's been a huge explosion of independent things online. Some people just sit and watch things on YouTube. What hasn't increased? An individual's time and attention. There are a finite number of hours in the day. Static demand, increased supply and an unwillingness to pay the asking price. That sounds like pretty simple economics to me.
- cannonedhamster 7y ago
  Yeah, but content producers still haven't realized that our time is more valuable than their usually garbage product, their product is overvalued, and no one feels bad about pirating because copyright is so fundamentally broken by the same content providers that the contract between the public and producers has been totally violated.
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  Entertainment still isn't a commodity, though. Just because there are hundreds of sci-fi movies and TV shows, doesn't mean I can pick up any of them and enjoy it as much as one that I wanted to that wasn't available. If I really want to watch, say, Star Trek movies and Continuum TV show, then if CBS decides to pull the Star Trek movies from Netflix and spin off their own streaming service doesn't mean I'll just find something else on Netflix, or that I'll subscribe to CBS too; I'll keep watching Continuum on Netflix and head to TPB for the missing movies. If movie studios want to stop piracy, they have to stop being so greedy. Streaming services shouldn't be allowed to get exclusive licensing deals on movies/shows. The market would sort itself out and people would be able to watch all they needed from one or two services whose UI they most like. (And honestly, UI should be unbundled too. Streaming service's crappy four-button player can't beat VLC.)
la_barba 7y ago
> You don't value their product enough to actually pay for it. It's available on TPB? Well, sure I'll watch it, why not. No torrent? Too bad, I'll just watch something else. I don't buy that argument. Its analogous to saying if Windows was not available on pirate platforms people would "just" switch to Linux. People making content are very very good at keeping people hooked. It partially explains all the people who binge watch on Netflix..