> And people often forget that we didn't have these agencies at all before 9/11, and we did just fine. ICE wasn't created out of thin air, it was formed by mer

> And people often forget that we didn't have these agencies at all before 9/11, and we did just fine. ICE wasn't created out of thin air, it was formed by merging and reorganizing existing organizations including Customs and INS. > We're giving people license to commit whatever thuggish, nationalistic fantasies they want, all sanctioned under some vague "rule of law" argument where the letter has far, far outstripped the spirit. I agree this is happening and we need to do something to stop it. At the same time, I don't believe this is the only thing that's happening in ICE, as it's a large and complex organization. > if ICE were abolished overnight, I would throw a party. If that happened but the fundamental issue of nationalism and lack of concern for human rights was not addressed, I think we could end up in an even worse place than we are currently. I'm not against abolishing ICE, but I don't think it's a solution in itself. The fundamental issue, in my opinion, is a lack of empathy and understanding for people who seem different, and it's happening on a large scale. I believe that is a much harder issue to tackle compared to restructuring our federal bureaucracy, but that's what we should be focusing on to make a real, lasting impact. Restructuring without addressing the underlying issue seems like a placebo that would do more harm than good.